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8/28/2019 6:05:13 PM
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im glad its gone, it was a crutch for low-skilled players that couldnt get ahead without relying on a mulligan. instead of using a helpful super they just rely on dying. dont use sun singer class to give your team grenade spam or extended duration for maximum orb generation, just use it like a bail-out for your bad positioning.
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Git good
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You call it a crutch yet it was easy to snipe a self res warlock if you paid attention if not a good self res warlock could wipe a team
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you know theres MORE to the game than JUST pvp right? did you also notice how i specified BAD players use it as a crutch? I myself used it to help sherpa in specific scenarios, like suiciding to res back into a specific, unreachable area, or to cleanse a debuff in order to come in clutch. god players use everything to its fullest, thats what makes them good, so taking it away doesnt actually hurt good players at all, and the bad players HAVE to get better now because they cant rely on the crutch anymore.
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In PvE the Self-Res wasn't a problem. Dying in D1 was easy to avoid. So, I do not know what you are talking about because the only time it was useful was in Darkness Zones.
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your right, dying WAS easy to avoid, and yet most players couldnt help but to, relying on the self-res to band-aid over their mistake and let them carry on through when they otherwise would have failed, and that failure would (hopefully) sink-in and they would learn NOT to die to the avoidable death. it kept bad players bad AND took up an otherwise valuable super-activation. it wasnt an obvious problem, it was a subtle problem, like ice-breaker was.
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No it wasn't an issue at all in PvE because no one used it unless they were in a darkness zone. Don't project your PvP issues as a PvE issue which it wasn't. It's only use in PvE was saving a fireteam from a wipe on a boss fight. It wasn't a crutch and under your deranged idea, WoD was a for "bads" because a good Defender was unkillable in PvE. If it is a problem in PvP then state it. Don't try to conflate it with PvE as a way to mask your agenda.
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i never mentioned PVP because i did not think it was a problem in PVP; a good-player kept their eye on self-res, basically rendering it useless. the only projecting going on here is by you. self-res was a problem in PVE for two reasons: it broke too many encounters (see ANY solo raid), AND it encouraged bad habits by bad players and therefore kept them bad. WoD could not single-handedly break encounters, and its use didnt encourage bad habits like self-res did because you had to BE ALIVE to use it in the first place! theres no hidden agendas here, every grievance has been laid bare and plainly.
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Edited by Astellan: 8/28/2019 8:41:19 PMThat is a bold ass lie. Majority of the Solo Raids were done by Hunters. Raids weren't even meant to be solo'd, so yeah, you are pretty much-misleading everyone here. And Break encounters? The whole point of the Super was that you can resurrect if you died in a Darkness Zone. All encounters were made around it because its entire point was to be used in Darkness Zones, Aka areas where if you died you wiped.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnewjGsfTyE solo's EVERY ENCOUNTER AS A RES-LOCK! other than crota, EVERY solo vid i could find was a res-lock. YOU are the bold-faced liar here. ironically, your right about one thing, the raids were NOT meant to be solo'd, and yet its exclusively ONE subclass perk thats pulling it off.
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You are going to post an over-geared Warlock who had one of the best Exotics in the game and who tearing part the ogres in King's Fall like they were nothing, as your evidence? here is a Titan doing the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0CboZVJlk0 And here is a Hunter doing King's Fall... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyoIklpsbu4&t=165s The only liar is you.
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so wheres my lie? that self-res lock broke EVERY raid-boss? 'cuz it did. titan doing it was pretty dank, ill admit i never saw that one before, but still doesnt do anything to actually counter my argument, only make a case to include bubble for broken status. and seriously? a hunter doing CROTAS END!? i excluded that raid for a particular reason: even a lightless frame can solo that raid! again, that one does NOTHING to counter my argument so far. ONE hunter soloing CE is the farthest from "majority of raids", lie #1. i never stated nor implied that raids were meant to be solo-able, so thats lie #2. oh and lie #3? that is a hunter doing CROTA'S END, NOT KING'S FALL!
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Edited by Astellan: 8/28/2019 9:39:18 PMHow did he break anything? He Simply rezed before a Wipe and continued the fight. You have no argument. Both used their supers as was intended and your argument seems to be "SELF REZ IS BAD BECAUSE I SAID SO!". In other words, you have no argument. You are the one lying, you tried to act like only Warlocks could solo the raids. Here we have a Defender Titan basically walking into the dump and doing whatever he likes because he can make an invul Zone where no one can hurt him. By your bizarre logic, WoD needs to be nerfed because he is breaking all the rules. The bosses nor the mobs can hurt him when he pops WoD. He can sit safely in WoD to avoid all trouble and obviously it is broken because he did everything a Self Rez Warlock did except he was never in any threat of dying...
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way to tip-toe around the answer to your own question: self-res breaks encounters because it bypasses wipe mechanics meant to kill the whole team and restart the encounter. sure, titan bubble can RESIST wipe mechanics by enduring their otherwise overwhelming damage, but it cant do it quite like self-res can, hence titans not being able to solo Atheon nor Aksis. I have MANY arguments, but your just CHOOSING to ignore them. theres also the fact that bungie themselves have said what i have said here too! i never said that res-locks can EXCLUSIVELY solo raids, i said that they are the class that has solo'd the most raid encounters, as well as having exclusively solo'd certain encounters, like Atheon and Aksis, mostly because i was vaguely aware of another class doing Oryx, and also because CE is solo-able by all classes, so i had to choose my words carefully, unlike you and your repeated and proven lies. and then there was the whole thinking i was talking about PVP, when i never mentioned it.
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The self rez was meant to prevent wipes. You seem to be so utterly clueless that you are claiming an ability made to stave off a wipe is bad because it "voids a wipe mechanic", that is so utterly stupid that you should be ashamed to post. You do realize that damage is a game mechanic, right? You seem to be so dumb you cannot realize that Ward of Dawn void's a game mechanic as it is ensuring that the player avoids all damage by being in the bubble. So far its pretty clear you are just going to pretend like wipe mechanics are immutable and that some how a self rez is game breaking, when the proof is to the contrary, but what do I expect, you are like the morons in WoW that try to argue Battle Red is game breaking because it allows a resurrection wjile in combat.
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normal wipes due to whole team dying? yes wipe mechanics meant to kill off the whole team due to failure? no, as again, bungie themeselves have stated this was not meant to be the case! we can also tell by how wipe mechanics drain your super FIRST so that res-locks CANT res from it! try to actually THINK for a second, why do wipe mechanics drain super energy first? is it to let res-locks come in clutch after everybody dies? NO, because super energy is drained first! and its not WoD single-handedly preventing the wipe either, its in tandem with sword-block, another ability that has broken mechanics as well, such as Skolas' tainted light! YOU are the one who has provided NO proof to the contrary, only FURTHER proof of MY argument! (the only thing is that im not so harsh on bubble because it only breaks ONE raid boss encounter, as opposed to ALL of them). since your slow; again, BUNGIE the people who made the game, are on my side here!
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Yeah bad players used it as a crutch but good players used it to. Maybe I should’ve mentioned to you that players could use it in raids to to help out on hard mode since they couldn’t be resurrected. You just saying it was used as a crutch doesn’t justify your argument right
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maybe you should mention that selective reading habit of yours, because i even mentioned how I was able to use it to help out in dire situations that otherwise wouldnt have been salvage-able, but that wouldn make for a good counter-argument, right? pro-tip: try reading everything first before zealously responding to disagreeing dispositions, you might seem less slow in the head that way, because i acknowledged that it helped, but it hurt much more, hence its removal.
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I wasn’t selectively reading your comment I read it all. The reason I mentioned what I did was because your coming off as a zealous person. If you actually would listen to yourself you would see that your argument makes no sense. Your talking about the super being a crutch yet you used it so much as a crutch. You didn’t need to but you did. And yes while many other people did use it as a crutch you did to. Your coming after me about selective reading why don’t you read back on what you wrote cause it doesn’t help your argument at all.
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seriously? your THAT guy? i use a specific adjective and you PARROT it back at me!? even worse you accuse me of doing what you yourself are guilty of: I didnt use it as a crutch, i was a high-skilled player using it in ways that made the super clutch: i suicide'd and ressed in alternate time-zones during Atheon to get back to help/take over for home-team, a feat ONLY capable with self-res. I suicide'd and ressed to take over ball-throwing in Aksis, a feat only capable with self-res. I did NOT self-res because i was otherwise stupid and died needlessly, instead i used my super to help the team one way or the other, rather than glossing over my own ineptitude, and THAT is why im glad its gone, because it gave bad players an excuse to stay bad, rather than learn from their mistake and get better, THAT is the argument i've been using, and its the argument you've glossed over because clearly you used self-res to cover up your own ineptitude. but you wouldnt know that because you cant read, only parrot "no you" to an ACTUAL argument.
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Also quit acting like your the only one who used self res to help people
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i never claimed to, and if you didnt ignore crucial parts of my posts, you'd know that. but you dont, because you cant read more than one line, apparently.
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Wow your insulting me now great argument there calling me a parrot. The only parrot here is you your repeating yourself man.
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you insulted EVERYBODY with those TERRIBLE arguments and that god-awful "no u" that you rely on so heavily.
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Now your not even making sense I never insulted anyone. People actually agreed with my arguments. Look at your reply thread and understand that you have been outmatched. You try to twist the narrative that all Self res was was a crutch, you act like it was a problem that kept people bad, you act like your opinion is right and don’t listen to anyone else’s arguments and immediately say that it’s wrong if they don’t agree with you. Your entire argument is insulting and it’s not even arguing. The only selective reader here is you because if you actually were to read you would realize they you are trying to twist the narrative that all of self res was a crutch unless it was used in a very specific way. Gtfo of here you’ve been outmatches and out done. I’m done replying to your useless thread cause it’s honestly making me loose some brain cells watching you use the caps in the way that you are.
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"loose brain cells" and your saying that IM outmatched here? also, its an archaic way of writing text to emphasis key words or points, but of course that goes over your head! MY arguments have been that it was predominately a crutch and created/encouraged bad habits, as well as the obvious game-breaking that it did. YOUR argument has ONLY been "nuh-uh! some people used it good!", which is moot because i myself already included that in my argument, and elaborated that the pros got HEAVILY outweighed by the cons. your best argument was to repeat ONE thing that i already said. like a PARROT.
