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8/27/2019 2:08:33 AM
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What is going on with quickplay matchmaking? Team balancing is consistently BAAAAAAD now!

So often I get in a lobby where my whole team can't hang and i get steamrolled and everyone quits. Or its the other way around and the other team quits. I don't remember it being like this before the last month or so.... did something change? It's not just me all kinds of people are saying it qp is not fun anymore I just end up playing rumble so I don't get put in a late slaughter game or have all my teammates quit and have to do a 6v1 every other match...

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  • Changes are coming in Shadowkeep for the Crucible all up. One item specifically will be team balancing/matchmaking against opponents. From the [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/48072]Director's Cut Part III blog article[/url]: [quote]We’re also changing how we do matchmaking. With a bunch of potential new players entering Destiny via New Light, we don’t want PvP to feel like you’re being told it’s time to learn to swim as the helicopter door opens over the Pacific Ocean. So, we’ve made some changes to separate the new swimmers from the Olympians. Additionally, we’ve also taken a longer look at matchmaking and overhauled the skill-matching system. In the game today, Quickplay is the only playlist that doesn’t have some version of skill matching in the game. We’re preserving that behavior (connection matchmaking) in the 6v6 Classic Mix playlist. Here’s what gets really annoying about skill match: • When it’s overly restrictive, it’s fatiguing when every single game feels like a sweat fest. • When it’s overly loose, a player can get an entire evening of unlucky matchmaking RNG where they’re getting dumped on by squads of Terminators shredding Kinderguardians. A bad time (for the Kinderguardians)! There’s much more complexity and nuance to an evening of PvP than those two statements above, but they do accurately capture the core problem: a lack of match-to-match variety. Sure, for a bunch of Terminators, a night of stomping might be a blast, but what about the folks on the receiving end of that business? This is where it gets tricky to improve matchmaking—people generally tend to focus on their own experience in their feedback. We think variety across an evening of PvP is important. This Fall, skill match should ensure a wider variety of matches, regardless of player skill. Some matches should be tense and thrilling, while other matches should be stomps. This philosophy should also apply to the top players, so they don’t feel like every match is a sweatshow, either. [/quote]

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    • I came from the future to say it's still bad

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      • It's the Bungie "50/50" winrate algorithm that doesn't promote fun matches, but stomps. Yeah I can have a 50/50 winrate if you rig it to be a stomp on my side and then on their side, but I'd like to have fun even if I lost three games in a row goddamnit.

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        • All that really needs to happen here is snipers, grenade launchers, and fusion rifles put back where they belong...as power weapons...that was a dumb move in the first place and served to do nothing but make almost every weapon in the game useless...your combos are either grenade launcher/hand cannon, sniper rifle/hand cannon, or fusion rifle/hand cannon. You only really have the hand cannon for the off chance you run out of ammo or to finish a player that rarely survives the first shot. Then you added the bow, which was awesome, high skill cap, have to put forth an effort to be good with it because it has such a low rate of fire vice every other weapon....and your critical damage on most bows (Headshots) dont kill 9 times out of 10. So in pvp...there is no trade off...its just high skill cap, you work hard to get good with it and don't even get the reward that the grenade launcher, fusion rifle, and snipers get for basically point and shoot skill caps... Also, why do supers last so long these days?? It is insane that most people just farm their super and then are able to run through their opposing team 2 maybe 3 times before running out...in a game of 4v4 I watched a dude get 10 super kills...he crossed the map TWICE after starting his super...supers are meant to be brief moments of extra power...it made you think about when you used it, where, timing was important...now you can pop it in a 1v1 and then jog across the map and get the other 3 and jog some more and hit their spawn with all 4 there...you know...since you just killed them...its insane...crucible took some strategy back in the day, you needed to time your rushes for power ammo to gain an edge (and only one player would get that edge), you had to spread out your supers to make them last because 1) no guaruntee of getting a kill with it 2) if you used too many in a single round you went into future rounds with a disadvantage. your super economy was important to how the game played out, now its "-blam!- thats a super, everyone spread out and hope he runs out before killing us all" you basically become invincible and it lasts for way too long. Ive seen matches where the rest of the team could just sit in spawn and chill while one guy with a super ran the other team down all 6 of their opponent's lives, why is that a thing? So I guess two things rather than just the one, super duration, and getting rid of this BS meta where everyone picks power weapons that are all one hit kills. The lack of variety coupled with the fact if you arent using meta you are basically cannon fodder is killing pvp. At that point why have 3 dozen weapon options when 3 hand cannons, 1 sniper, 2 grenade launchers, and 2 fusion rifles are roughly 90% of the kits you see. As an example, when mercy was being selected in EVERY competitive match, she was immediately nerfed. GOATS was just dethroned because people got tired of only being able to counter with GOATS, so instead of playing a variety of comps at higher level you are stuck with playing 6 out of 32 characters. the 2-2-2 change is bringing back a lot of players because you can now play all 32 characters. Same idea here, put power weapons back, it opens the door for people to be successful with weapons like the bow, which is the best addon ive seen in destiny imo, or scout rifles which i hardly ever see anymore, pulse rifles, smgs, auto rifles...think other than myself I get 1 in 10 games where I will even see an auto rifle. VARIETY, it isnt hard to do, especially since there is no power balancing that is needed, you just need to put all your one shot kill weapons back in the power ammo slot...think i forgot to mention shotguns this whole time...the only drawback to those that kinda makes them ok as secondaries is the fact you have to be in their face to even get a kill...but most of these maps make that unbelievably easy to accomplish. Super time duration significantly reduced and power weapons back in the power weapon slots and watch pvp just take off.

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          • I have barely touched PVP in months now. Only to do quest stuff. It’s kinda broken and not really fun, especially when you don’t have a dad build or a pinnacle weapon.

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          • Quick play became trash when they crammed 6v6 into 4v4 maps, so stupid to just run around and as soon as you kill someone you get killed cause there’s nowhere to go, then comes the super chain and you get respawned right into the enemy group and team shot, WE ARE to blame cause when iron banner came with 6v6 it was something new and everyone BEGGED bungie to make quick play 6v6 and they caved. Instead of actually working and making some bigger maps that would suffice for 6v6 they just cram us all into these tiny maps. Maybe you young kids like to just bull rush, get a cheap kill and then die yourself over and over again but I think it idiotic

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          • Edited by Tk: 8/27/2019 4:44:46 PM
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            There is no team balancing in qp. Plus most of the legend rank players go there. Only if bungie made a "off meta" playlist where the most common/op weapons are locked. Also a barebones playlist where supers, special and heavy ammo is disabled. Having these options would be nice.

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            • Edited by NerfPaladins06: 8/28/2019 2:37:38 PM
              Don't bother asking for fair matchmaking. Bungie's matchmaking algorith does what it's supposed to: Find the worst players and put them together whether they're in a team or not. Maybe throw them 1 skilled player every now and then. 9 times out of 10 even in a full solo queued game your team is made up of dum dums and the enemy team functions like a well oiled machine despite not talking to each other. Bungie's motives: - Terrible players probably all have Mc.Donalds wifi connections and skilled players shouldn't have to suffer whether their connections suck or not. - Gotta keep skilled players and teams happy because they might be streamers and that gets them more players, an in turn more money.

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              • DISABLE FIRETEAMS IN QUICKPLAY

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              • It’s so sh1t so bad matchmaking is a joke

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              • A little over a month ago everyone who could get recluse/mt got them and are now flaunting it with unfair advantage in QP. Most of us casuals only go in there when absolutely necessary. It's going to be amplified this week in IB.

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                • Dying game unfortunately. How many ppl still play this game? I really want to know. Most of friends stopped playing this and make fun of me for playing it still lmao

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                  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCia7mAG-XI

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                  • Quick play are for sweating Comp it alright

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                    • They did change the MMing in Crucible in the last update. Everyone kept telling me I was wrong but I knew I was right. They stealth patched or whatever.

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                      • You don't know ? there's a rumor that [u][i]QUICKPLAY is actually DISGUISED COMP[/i][/u]. [spoiler] Seems legit. [/spoiler]

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                      • facts dat sheet pissin me off yo i tryin to play for fun without usin da meta n all i gettin is sweats n bad casual players on ma team all da time n d2 is startin to make rage alot again

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                      • Why bother when you get steamrolled by one eyed crutch using bottom tree striker.

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                        • Just fix It so I'm not matched with absolute garbage players. Just got 43 kills in clash and still lost. Tired of dead weight players.

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                          • PvP always shits the bed hardcore whenever iron banner comes out. I mean, it's been like that since D1.

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                          • Ik dude. Hopefully the fall changes will do some good. For me, it's always been stomp after stomp on both my side and the enemy. A blood-pumping close game is hard to come by these days. I was playing IB earlier today and there was one close game. The rest of it was me n my team either being completely crushed, or my team pimp slapped everyone around. It sucks. I hope that these new changes at least make it happen less often. Also... Reduce shotgun range for christ sake lol

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                          • My last game of IB for the night. This was our team's performance: [quote]1.43, 0.40, 0.29, 0.25, 0.17, 0.11[/quote] And this was theirs: [quote]9.00, 9.00, 7.00, 3.67, 2.33, 1.40[/quote] They weren't even cheesing it. All solos, no stack. Except for OEM, they weren't meta. I was arguably more meta than them - Last Word (switched to Bygones for Equinox, to no avail,) curated Twilight Oath, god-rolled Hammerhead, Stompees with Traction, 4-5 super mods, and Blade Barrage (gave up on Spectral after the nerf, and it's a particularly bad joke on Equinox.) Got absolutely steamrolled over. It wasn't even funny. At some point I just let go of the mouse and went to grab a glass of water. That seemed to improve my K/D a little. Now, I'm the first to admit I suck at PvP, but this is just ridiculous. Bungie was part of Activision/Blizzard for how long? The least they could have done is copy the Overwatch or SC2 ELO / MMR code.

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                          • Remember Luke Smith said they haven’t touched crucible because it will be free for the New Light people. They have intentionally let it go to shit cuz it will be free. This is Bungie sans Activision

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                            • Some days you carry the berries. Other days you're the berry. It's the circle of liiiiiiife!

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                              • Oh it's in iron banner too!

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                              • CruCibLe Is In ThE BeSt PlaCe It EveR HaS BeeN. Get Gud ScrUB!!!! hrrrrrrrr. sweat, sweat. (Yells) Mom, bring me another soda down in the basement.

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