You have the solution in your post that snipers can counter it there is your answer sit back and snipe if fusion and shotguns bother you. I play the map and game mode I’m playing on big map I snipe small map I’ll use close quarter weapons that’s why I don’t shotgun on equinox. When cops, military bust down doors they aren’t running in with bolt action snipers in a close quarters area they bring the close quarters weapons.

Have I responded to this? Eh, -blam!- it. [quote]It really is. It’s the only thing that has no counter other than using it (edit: this was poorly phrased, better is, “one of the best counters is using an Erentil yourself.”))[/quote] Or getting beyond 25-30 meters and sniping them (which is arguably better since there is no toss up because charge times and tickrates and what have you), or rolling the dice with buckshot, or Lord of Wolves (the gun literally built to be a FR counter), or Slugs, or a Precision Frame Fusion within 15-20 meters, or I think Last Word kills Erentil before it can fully charge, too. Master of Arms also kills Erentil before it can fully charge. [quote]And the range it can one shot is game breaking. With Magazine perks such as Under Pressure and other stability enhancements, it can outgun other weapons at 30+ meters.[/quote] Keywords being "with enhancements." The base version of the gun caps off at, oh, 25? Meters. Under Pressure adds 10 meters at absolute 100% best, but because random spread, it's not set in stone. And before you say "BuT bUtThUrT! Firmly Planted boosts your range to 70 meters!" Firmly Planted assumes you're standing still, crouched, in what is more or less an arena shooter. AKA you're a sitting duck. [quote]This outmatches the range of every special but snipers,[/quote] Breaking news! A medium range special can shoot further that the worst shotguns in FPS history! They're medium range, and there's 3 main special categories, so no shit they're shooting further than a shotgun. [spoiler]I say 3 main because grenade launchers are... Strange to categorize[/spoiler] [quote]but for obvious reasons, they leave you vulnerable. Other fusion rifles seem to be in check,[/quote] Because they're shit outside of maybe the occasional Epicurean or Main Ingredient, and Telesto. [quote]but for some reason Erentil FR4 is exceedingly effective as a weapon.[/quote] Because it's the only FR that works within medium range... [quote]With scavenger perks, players are able to use this weapon as a main weapon without needing to use anything else.[/quote] And Scavenger perks are getting heavily nerfed, with double scavengers I believe being outright removed come Shadow Keep, correct me if I'm wrong. [quote]Edit: So many people are upset that I’ve targeted ONE weapon. Guys. If it’s so easy to counter, why are you trying so hard to keep it as is?[/quote] Because I don't want to see the effective options become ineffective, I'd rather promote build diversity while keeping stuff powerful, not returning to the snooze-fest that was year 1.

The only people defending Erentil/Wizened are people who get farmed without it. Biggest crutch weapon in the game. We’ll only see more of it once supers get nerfed.

Feel like while a range cap should be introduced I feel a more balanced way to “nerf” erentil would be to actually make the charge sound very loud to other players. Would give awareness and really make you at fault for knowing there’s an erentil then spring out into the open and dieing because of it

I agree. Too much range and too fast charge time... same with a few other fusions... they break this game

So....nerf fusions?

It's fine as is. No changes needed.

It’s only bad on a sweat level.

So literally nerf fusion rifles?

Fusions have been like this since TTK, you nerfherders lose your minds over everything. Erentil is high impact which is the only archetype that kills in 4 bolts, and plays in the exact range it needs to and has since TTK. They nerf it and shotguns will be next and then sniper, which will lead to the same shithole D2 vanilla created. Shotguns are still heavily used and snipers are also on the table, but fusions and snipers are finally getting more use so it looks like everything's working as intended.

I think they need a slight range nerf. Keyword being slight. I think the main problem is double scavenger perks for special weapons. You shouldn't be able to use a shotgun, fusion rifle, grenade launcher, or sniper like your primary weapon for entire matches. You should have to plan when and what to use it for, not spam it every opportunity you get.