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8/4/2019 11:28:43 PM
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Shotguns, Fusion Rifles, and Sniper Rifles account for the majority of weapon kills in crucible. There's so much special ammo "Primary Ammo" guns barely get used.
The worst part about this is the huge disparity between the power of special and primary weapons. If you sprint at someone from 20 meters with a shotgun, their primary won't be able to kill you before you slide and 1 shot them.
Using a primary feels hopeless when the entire enemy team is running around sliding and invisible with shotguns.
Countless times I've had people sprint at me from 20 meters, I land 3 perfect headshots as fast as possible, but it doesn't matter because they get within shotgun range before I can kill them.
[b]Primary weapon TTK isn't good enough to deal with the extreme mobility in this game. Using a shotgun doesn't require and special skill or tactics - you just sprint right at someone and 1 shot them because primaries won't kill you before you get there. [/b]
The best combat in Crucible is primary weapon gunfights between teams. Cheesing with shotguns and fusion rifles removes the element of skill from the game.
[b]Many people think Heavy Ammo spawns too frequently, so how about alternating between heavy and special ammo and having players start with no special ammo.[/b]
I know many of the Crucible diehards don't like primaries, because they abuse crutches to get high glory and tell themselves it's skill to stroke their ego, so just try adding something like this as an alternative game mode.
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Yes a lot of players lean on special weapons, especially shotguns and fusion rifles. Part of this comes with map design and the satisfaction of easily knocking out their opponent. However there are just as many players using primary weapons like the Last Word and Luna's Howl. Pulse rifles and handcannons are everywhere these days. My point is that Crucible will never be balanced. Right now it's in an OK state and that's fine. Sure it could do with some tuning but it will always need adjusting.
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1 ReplyIn high level scrims, every single player either A. Has more primary kills than special kills or B. Doesn't perform well. It's a common misconception that, becuase shotguns can easily be used stupidly to trade or that fusions and snipers can backpedal you around the map, that these weapons are overused and too strong. You cannot beat a team of good players with only your special weapon.
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Wrong on all accounts. Yes there are people who sweat of special weapons but there are plenty of primary use. When people were using Luna/NF everyone complained, when people were use AoS everyone on pc complained, and scouts are the way they are now because people complained during the mida y1 meta. Its the same with this community its impossible to balance because people complain about anything and everything even trace rifles and weapons that aren't meta.
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Git Gud
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20 RepliesNo one should start with special ammo. It should be a ammo box spawn once every 30 seconds or so. And heavy ammo box should only spawn once per match.
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You know what this game needs? A sword only playlist with infinite ammo.
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48 RepliesThe main problem with special weapons is more that everyone is forced to drop special ammo. Instead of making it so only those using special drop it everyone does so you can’t limit the ammo on the field and every shotgun kill gets the slider another two shots.
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[quote]The worst part about this is the huge disparity between the power of special and primary weapons. If you sprint at someone from 20 meters with a shotgun, their primary won't be able to kill you before you slide and 1 shot them. Using a primary feels hopeless when the entire enemy team is running around sliding and invisible with shotguns. Countless times I've had people sprint at me from 20 meters, I land 3 perfect headshots as fast as possible, but it doesn't matter because they get within shotgun range before I can kill them. [b]Primary weapon TTK isn't good enough to deal with the extreme mobility in this game. Using a shotgun doesn't require and special skill or tactics - you just sprint right at someone and 1 shot them because primaries won't kill you before you get there. [/b] The best combat in Crucible is primary weapon gunfights between teams. Cheesing with shotguns and fusion rifles removes the element of skill from the game. [b]Many people think Heavy Ammo spawns too frequently, so how about alternating between heavy and special ammo and having players start with no special ammo.[/b] I know many of the Crucible diehards don't like primaries, because they abuse crutches to get high glory and tell themselves it's skill to stroke their ego, so just try adding something like this as an alternative game mode.[/quote] Soundslike a you problem chief.
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Lol imagine not being able to kill an ape rushing at you from 20m
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Edited by pacificdune: 8/6/2019 1:40:40 PMIf you can’t kill or avoid a shotgunner who straight lines you from 20m that’s not a game issue. 1) you also have special ammo unless you wasted it 2) map knowledge and awareness to avoid and prepare for those situations. 3) back peddle and jump, bait shotgunners out in the open for easy kills.
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I don’t mean to be that guy, but if you die often to someone running straight at you with a shotgun, then something went wrong on your end.
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Then how are hc and pulse 45-50% of kills in pvp?
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6 RepliesTry being a shotgun ape and see where that gets you. Bygones, last word, recluse, service rev will win. Watch
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Can we send this post back in time to 2017 when everyone was whining about the dual primary system? They gave us what we asked for, did they not? Perhaps the Destiny community doesn't actually know what it wants.
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1 ReplyBygones Recluse Last word Service revolver Blast furnace
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Git Gud scrub
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Snipers are actually fine imo with regards to the economy, shotguns and fusions on the other hand need to be reduced to 1 shot per pick up. Heavy needs to go back to D1 style but add a timer on it to expire(maybe 30 secs?). 72 rpm snipers should kill supers in a ohk imo as well. Snipers are probably high due to the current pinnacle weapon revoker.
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Edited by DredLaP: 8/6/2019 5:49:08 AMMost of my kills are with my primary. Beat all three mentioned. HC still lead the meta.
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5 RepliesWhat they should've done was maintain the traditional d1 style loadout (kinetic primary weapon, energy special weapon, heavy weapon) in pve while switching pvp over to the d2 vanilla double primary loadout. I'm sure it's possible to do that. They just don't want to do it. I actually enjoyed pvp during the double primary days more than I do now. During that time, winning engagements was determined by who could shoot better and who could tactically move around the map and use grenades and melees to prime targets.
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Edited by livin like larry: 8/6/2019 3:17:04 PMIt may be true that special weapons run rampant right now, but at the same time, it all boils down to situational awareness, timing, and having thumbs lol. Primaries may not be as strong as they were in D1, but they’re not useless either. My top weapon type in crucible is a hand cannon, which is where i try to get the majority of my defeats. However, as you mentioned, if i see someone sprinting at me with a shotgun, and i can’t kill that player with my primary before they get to me, I’m gonna pull out my shotgun lol. You also gotta have some sort of awareness that people are gonna be straight-lining with shotguns most of the time so always have yours ready, or your smg or fusion (as much as i hate them) ready. However, there are outliers. Erentil is one of them. If anyone thinks that gun is balanced/okay then they need to reevaluate. It should be consistent yes, but not how it is now.
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14 RepliesEdited by Babajeeds: 8/5/2019 2:56:00 PMWhile you might be right about the special ammo being used a lot, Destiny has always been like that. Also if you want to get into primary gunfights, use your primary. You will get them. Trust me on this. We do not want to go back to D1 Year3 with no special ammo. Those were dark times. All we need in the crucible are new maps, super adjusting, and heavy ammo greatly reduced.
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one shot weapons will always rule if you simply cant outgun them =)
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psst! hey! over here, look at this.
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*Laughs in bygones
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2 RepliesI agree in part. Primary ttk dies need some tweeking. Keep in mind tho we did have it where shotguns,snipers and fusions were in the power slot and that was by far the most boring PvP has ever been... I still like the d1 ammo with special. Have crates and spawn them a few times a match but not like the heavy crate we have now. Make it that if you're near it when it's open you get it. I love using primary in gun battles but will use special from time to time.
