Untill bungie installs input detection , I am done with PVP .. I cannot believe that bungie condones this .. and what's even more appalling is the self proclaimed experts all over these forums that defend M&K claiming there is no advantage, nothing to see here move along .. I ran into an entire team of PC ( shroud ) fan boys ...said it right on thier clan page .. these guys are not migrating over in search of a challenge .. What's even more astonishing is that gamers , who are perported to smart , will consciously ruin a game they play , then -blam!- about the game sucking later after they ruined it .. So going forward, I think IMO private matches should count for any PVP exotic quest lines .. End rant