[quote]Is a song ( or songs) good if it itself is good (you like the beat, flow, style, pace and so forth), however the meaning or message is bad?[/quote] I'd say the instrumental is good, but no the song would not be good. [quote]are [b]your[/b] morals questioned by listening to such a song?[/quote] if I'm understanding this question correctly, yes, in all likelihood I would question my morals if I chose to listen to it. [quote]Would [b]you[/b] share the song if it is enjoyable however morally wrong?[/quote] the song, no. The instrumental, yes [quote]Would [b]you[/b] want to meet the artist(s)?[/quote] If the aforementioned song is the only one of the artists song which give me this quandary, I think so, but if there is no difference between it and every other one of there songs, absolutely not. [quote]Answer these questions to the fullest and the void’s vaults shall be opened for your choosing of its bounty...[/quote] I hope these answers are found suitable by the void.

[quote]...however the meaning or message is bad?[/quote] too complicated a question for the infinite yet limited medium of musical art. Interpretation of the expression could have many different levels of "good/bad" depending on the observer/listener/audience' preconceptions. Really effective art challenges those preconceptions, yet comforts the observer/listener/audience (Don't worry, you're gonna see some wild stuff but everything will be ok) It's one of the reasons why so many songs end with a "Ta-da!" to break the illusion and bring the audience back into reality where things make more sense, otherwise you're left wanting more which can be effective in itself, or you're left confused and questioning things. So; three part answer: 1. All the time; If I hear a song with a message that shocks me, I want to listen again. Am I forming an opinion based on what I heard, yes I am, but it's an opinion that is based on the collective musical experience I gain, not what is being advocated by the lyrics. 2. Yes, in an attempt to recreate the same sensation for someone else I would. If it's a song that professes something morally wrong, but does so with music that is pleasing, I want to see the reaction they have, where as I am no tbothered but such things, they may be. 3. More than likely no, however given the opportunity it is revealing and enlightening to spend time with the composer/artist of a piece of music. Insight given or withheld is fascinating and causes you to listen to the music in new ways.

If the “void” has something contained within it... doesn’t that mean it is no longer actually void?

[quote]Is a song ( or songs) good if it itself is good (you like the beat, flow, style, pace and so forth), however the meaning or message is bad?[/quote] Humans are complex and f[i]i[/i]ckle beings with a near infinite combination of likes and dislikes. If a person likes a song for its melody rather than its lyrics, or likes a song because of its artistic meaning from the words chosen of its lyrics, then that is the individual's preference. It doesn't mean that the person's morals are askew, it just means that that person has different (or same) taste as you. It's just a different perspective, nothing to do with morals. But that's not to say that there are people who like the lyrics for immoral reasons. Thus the f[i]i[/i]ckle nature of humans. [quote]are [b]your[/b] morals questioned by listening to such a song?[/quote] No, I only question my morals when faced with a dilemma that is testing my morals, to which I'd weigh all of my options against my personal moral code. It's only by other people that my morals become questioned and its always the people who don't [b]know me[/b] that question my morals. [quote]Would [b]you[/b] share the song if it is enjoyable however morally wrong?[/quote] It depends on the content of the song and who I'm sharing it with. [quote]Would [b]you[/b] want to meet the artist(s)?[/quote] No not really. I may like their music but that doesn't mean I'd want to meet them.

For me, meaning comes before melody, beat, flow, all of that. Do I agree with the message that the song is sending? If yes, I’ll give it a shot. If no, then I don’t want to listen. Simple as that.

Grey area. Probably depends on individual case/how literally the artist means those lyrics.

You are bold to post philosophy in this chaotic area, Sir Graviton, but I enjoy these kinds of questions. If I enjoy the overall melody and music, I would consider it to be a good song. Most music is made for entertainment and enjoyment, not the message that the song might contain. Thus, I tend to ignore said message, whether it’s bad or good, unless I feel like being philosophical. I would recommend it to someone depending on the person. Everyone has different tastes, so I wouldn’t provide it to someone who may not agree with it. I wouldn’t want to meet the composer, regardless of whether I enjoy the music or not, as I am not a very social person. Besides, if the composer is a person that you don’t really like, you might hate it just because that person made it. [spoiler]Fades Away[/spoiler]

[quote]Is a song ( or songs) good if it itself is good (you like the beat, flow, style, pace and so forth), however the meaning or message is bad?[/quote] I can admire the artistry, and craft and talent. Do I approve of the message? Maybe not. I can still appreciate other aspects of it. It’s 50/50. Let’s use Chris Brown(ew rap) as an example. The instrumentals in his latest album are [i]fuego,[/i] and I mean [b][i]fuego.[/i][/b] They nice. However, the lyrics are all rotten and/or superficial and meaningless. So not good. Also, a song being “good” is totally subjective and based on listener preference. [quote] are [b]your[/b] morals questioned by listening to such a song? [/quote] Depends why I’m listening. Going back to that example, I would only ever listen to any of Chris Brown’s stuff to analyze the beats so I can improve my craft. Not for enjoyment. I feel slimy listening to his stuff anyway. [quote] Would [b]you[/b] share the song if it is enjoyable however morally wrong? [/quote] Again, depends why I’m sharing it. If it’s a “hey, check out all the nuances that the producer worked into the beat” then yeah I’m fine with sharing it. It’s a learning experience. But if it’s a “Hey, that bar where he talks about how he -blam!- -blam!- his -blam!- girl and -blam!- [b]-BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!-[/b]” Ya know? That I would not be fine with. [quote] Would [b]you[/b] want to meet the artist(s)? [/quote] No. But if I see them and actually recognize them, might snap a photo anyway, just to flex.

Half of my songs don't have lyrics lmao

First things first. What makes a meaning or message bad? Also, does art lose its value if it is not perfect?

[quote]Is a song ( or songs) good if it itself is good (you like the beat, flow, style, pace and so forth), however the meaning or message is bad?[/quote] Depends on the message. For instance, I like Green Day, but don't agree with their politics which their music is very centered around, but I still enjoy it. If the message is bad, like disagreeing with my religion or basic morals, I'll either listen to an instrumental version if the instruments are that good, or just not listen at all. For example, on Periphery IV, I won't listen to CHVRCH BVRNER because I don't think that the message is good. But if I need clarification, I'll look up the meaning of the song. For example, Flag of the Beast by Emmure sounds very satanic when you listen to it, but the writer didn't intend it that way, he was talking about himself. [quote]are [b]your[/b] morals questioned by listening to such a song?[/quote] No. I know what's wrong and what's right, so a song isn't going to change me. I'll consider the message and think about, it but it takes more than a song to sway my morals [quote]Would [b]you[/b] share the song if it is enjoyable however morally wrong?[/quote] Probably not, mostly just because I'd probably forget about it, but if I did remember it and if I knew the person would really like that music, I'd send it. Ultimately, it's not my place to judge what others should be listening to or not. I'm not the moral bastion, so if they enjoy the piece regardless of the message, that's their thing. [quote]Would [b]you[/b] want to meet the artist(s)?[/quote] I want to meet artists I enjoy, but not the ones who create songs I disagree with. We would have no common ground, I can't really tell them how much I liked their music because I didn't, so it'd just be kinda awkward. [quote]Answer these questions to the fullest and the void’s vaults shall be opened for your choosing of its bounty... [spoiler]perhaps you could join the void...[/spoiler][/quote]

This is a question I used to struggle with. Coming from a family of faith, secular songs were frowned upon, some were absolutely forbidden. But throughout my school age years, radios were everywhere and I was no longer isolated or insulated from hearing the pop stations. In high school I got turned to the rock stations and they've stuck with me ever since. [quote]Is a song ( or songs) good if it itself is good (you like the beta, flow, style, pace and so forth), however the meaning or message is bad?[/quote] It believe you meant 'beat'.... I'll answer it this way. I love to listen to Avenged Sevenfold. However I do not subscribe to what I will just refer to 'the dark' connotations of many of their songs. They have great musicianship, and their style is really unique compared to other post screamo bands turned hard rock. I can say the same for my all time favorite band - Van Halen. I do not subscribe to the whole machismo, party-party-party, love'em and leave 'em, theme to much of their early music (primarily the Roth years), but they are the epitome what all rock bands tried (and most failed) to be. There will be other great front men, and other guitar virtuoso's in time, but that combination, style, and flair will never, not ever be matched. [quote]are your morals questioned by listening to such a song?[/quote] I used to think so. But with age I have found that I find more behind the meaning of songs as to the mindset that wrote it, and can feel the pain in many instances where people more often than not miss it. Why is the song telling me to 'rock and roll all night, and party every day'? What lead them to this conclusion? After seeing so many people who have bought into this lifestyle and what destruction it brought them, I believe I look at many songs differently than most. [quote]Would you share the song if it is enjoyable however morally wrong?[/quote] My sons have copied my music library for themselves. But I also taught them over the years of what I believed, thought was right, and what things that would be corruptible to them, and they've turned out pretty well so far. We rock. We just don't go to places with "Girls, girls, girls' or seek the services of Dr. Feelgood. [quote]Would you want to meet the artist(s)?[/quote] I use to think I would like to, but having watched the evolution of these bands over time, and being older and seeing what happened to them in life, I don't know now. If anything I feel that most fans are an intrusion to band members. Everybody wants a picture, autograph, hug, wants to be able to identify as 'more' since they met their rock idol,.... I believe that most of them love what they do, or did, but now just want to perform and be left alone. I'd love to have been able to talk with Eddie Van Halen, but seeing his life (for what we know of it) I would probably pass on the opportunity now, simply because I'm nothing to him. He's more than likely heard it all before, multiple times, from people he'll never remember. Who wants to be forgotten?

I don't really care too much about tje lyricks of a song, at least with most songs. I listen to the voice as just another instrument in the symphony. Most lyricks are nonsens anyway. There are some exceptions though I do like most lyricks of bands like Tool or A Perfect Circle but in those cases it as also very much the apeal of those bands.

Music is art. It's often open to being interpreted in many different ways yet the meaning is only known by the artist and even that is subject to their mental and emotional state at the time it was penned. Morality in the same manner is open to interpretation. While many people may share views of it rarely are any two people in 100% agreement on everything that is, to them as individuals, moral or immoral. Music is interesting in the way that it brings these abstracts, and others, in life together and lays them out for discussion. So, in answering your questions...Yes if a song sounds good to me on the surface I will listen to it well enough to find my take on the message contained. Then try to construct the thought process behind it. I would absolutely want to meet the artist if only to ask for their full disclosure about what they were saying and where they were at internally at the time and what caused them to express themselves in that moment. Would my morals be questioned? By others perhaps but not personally. Enjoyment. Should I come to the personal realization that I feel what they are saying is morally wrong I would still respect the artistry in how they crafted their statement. So yes might be the answer but not in the traditionally defined way.

I personally wouldn’t. A lot of music is popular simply because it is “catchy.” Humans are pattern seekers. We’re “wired” that way. For example, I generally don’t like any rap because of the lyrics, but the actual music is usually catchy and something I could nod my head to.

I’m leaning towards no, but I just read an article about the 13 reasons Kanye isn’t going to heaven so idk There are objective ways to judge art. Any work of art can be competently composed while having a meaning that isn’t “good”. At that point, you have to weigh the literal qualities against the more abstract. It’s a lot easier with music as you can ignore the lyrics, which is typically how the message is conveyed. You can see the same sort of issue with statues of Confederate leaders, where the ideals behind them vastly overshadow the medium.

I live on South America and we are flooded by this very catchy latin songs that make you want to dance and sing along, and then you stop to listen to the lyrics and you want to throw up or hit something. My daughter sings them and it drives me crazy. I tell her to stop and please pay attention to the lyrics, they are demeaning to females. But they are really catchy. So it appears to be a loosing battle.

A song is not good because it's complex or because it's simple. It's good because it's beautiful. Because of this thought process, I tend to listen to classical more. However, for contemporary, I don't listen to anything morally wrong, because music is extremely influential. The contemporary that do listen 9/10 times is Christian worship music since it puts my mind and heart in a tranquil place.

This is an interesting question and one that my friends and I used to talk about 25+ years ago. I am a metalhead and as such, I have always been labeled as a Satanist, but if it had not been for metal, I can tell you now, I would have ended up in prison or dead. It gave me an outlet for my serious anger issues. So with that in mind, how can it be bad, right? People look at things differently. Some people use dark humor to keep their sanity while others can't fathom and fear it. Same with music. If you are easily influenced, then you need to recognize that about yourself as stay away from music and really, any media, that might lead you down a dark path. The thing is, if you are one of those people, you do not get the right to tell others that what they choose is wrong. Why? Just because it was wrong for you, does not mean it is wrong for them. You are forcing your beliefs and prejudices on another then and that is wrong. That said, if you see someone is going down a dark path, then you can share your story with them and hope they can see it & the correlation with their current circumstances. Once again though, you can not force them, because 2 wrongs do not make a right. Really, the whole thing is about knowing who you are as a person and where you want to be. You have to acknowledge when something is not good for you, when something is good for you and when you just think/want something to be good for you because of your various personal reasons.

No accounting for taste. No. I share all my weird musics. Eh, I've never really cared about meeting celebrities and such.

[quote]Is a song good if it itself is good, however the meaning or message is bad? are your morals questioned by listening to such a song? Would you share the song if it is enjoyable however morally wrong? Would you want to meet the artist(s)? Answer these questions to the fullest and the void’s vaults shall be opened for your choosing of its bounty... [spoiler]perhaps you could join the void...[/spoiler][/quote] 1. Define "good." Good can be musically complex, creative, and/or original. Alternitavely, "good" can be morally good, like having a happy message or some shit. 2. No, your morals are not in question. There's more to a song than just its lyrics. 3. Depends on the person. Most of the time, i would share it with a little warning, but i wouldn't share it with people who prefer to stay away from cursing, bad messages, or stiff like that. 4. Sure. I think that artists tend to have more unique and interesting mindsets than most other people. Again, there's more to a person than this one song. Of course, this is all [i]my opinion[/i] (except number 1), so i don't expect everybody to agree with me.