[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JARHEAD POOLEE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ColdAdam010 The game doesn't contradict. Halo Reach the game: You play as noble team that gets the blessing to wear modified spartan 2 armor unlike the spartan 3's The campain takes place before the huge Cpvie onslaught -- e.g. a massive covie force appears in space and a very very big battle with almost every UNSC ship including the Pillar of Autum takes place. So everything you played in campaign is basically true. Except the master cheif being cyroed, i dont think that was in the book. To give some history: When Dr. Hasley gives up Cortana, the Pillar of Autum was on Reach - Although i dont remeber being a small covie attack yet PoA goes into orbit to help fight with Cortana basically controlling the PoA to keep it alive Master Cheif splits up his team, part of it goes ground side, another part keeps in space to fight with him UNSC looses the space battle, the Master Cheif is the only surivor that can fight. Cortana picks a "random destination" which actually she choose a specific one becuase she finally figured out some forerunner/covie coordinates from a piece of rock, and jumps to the Halo ring.[/quote] Did you even read the books? The Spartan III Noble team didn't get a blessing to wear the armor to wear the armor they had to be surgically augmented while the were teenagers to even be able to put on the suits. If you read the books you would remember that they tried putting the armor on a regular marine and when he moved an inch he broke every bone in his body and died. the spartans who did get armor had to have re-enforced bones and muscle enhancing augmentations not including dozens of other upgrades as well. Most of the spartans died during the surgery and the ones who survived all had some form of side effect. Some were lucky like john who made it through stronger but most were crippled and could no longer fight and were given desk jobs. back to Reach The MC, cortana and the PoA along with all the spartans go into space trying to steal a Covie ship to try to find the Covie home world to try and capture a prophet. When Captain Keyes learns of a covie invasion on reach. So when was cortana rushed to the PoA by a second string spartan? She wasn't she was already with master chief in space. Hasley gave cortana to MC and then made him do a training exercise where he killed ODST, ran threw mine fields and was attack by UNSC aircrafts. And if you want to get really technical the Spartan III's wouldn't have had any shield tech on their suits because MC was the first to get that. Yes MC took two other spartans with him and sent the rest to there grave on reach. One of the spartans james got his "jetpack' shot in space and was sent hurtling into the dark abyss while the other linda died while MC and some marines escaped in a pelican. MC got a transmission from a spartan on reach saying they were over run by thousands of covenant and then the line cut out (implying that the spartan talking got killed) Cortana, MC and the PoA never were on Reach while the covenant attacked dismissing the fact that noble 6 and second string spartan had to rush his ass over to the PoA with cortana. Hasley obviously survived because she was in the last book First Strike which means Jun ( if he was ever real in book) must have died protecting her. [/quote] Wanted to clear some other stuff. -As Halsey has stated in her journal, she and cortana decided that they would slit Cortana so that the majority of her could be with MC and the PoA, and the other would be able to decipher the artifact under SWORD base. -No MC wasn't the first. As stated in the in game description of armor, Mark V was issued in 2551, to test the many things within it, and to complete the system. John was the first to have the A.I/Spartan use, because only his suit was capable of doing so. This partnership drastically helped boost Spartan capability. -Jun, as I believe, probably died and will be shown to be in the remade First Strike. 343, don't fail me now.

Have you ever seen a movie that follows the book exaclty?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JARHEAD POOLEE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ColdAdam010 The game doesn't contradict. Halo Reach the game: You play as noble team that gets the blessing to wear modified spartan 2 armor unlike the spartan 3's The campain takes place before the huge Cpvie onslaught -- e.g. a massive covie force appears in space and a very very big battle with almost every UNSC ship including the Pillar of Autum takes place. So everything you played in campaign is basically true. Except the master cheif being cyroed, i dont think that was in the book. To give some history: When Dr. Hasley gives up Cortana, the Pillar of Autum was on Reach - Although i dont remeber being a small covie attack yet PoA goes into orbit to help fight with Cortana basically controlling the PoA to keep it alive Master Cheif splits up his team, part of it goes ground side, another part keeps in space to fight with him UNSC looses the space battle, the Master Cheif is the only surivor that can fight. Cortana picks a "random destination" which actually she choose a specific one becuase she finally figured out some forerunner/covie coordinates from a piece of rock, and jumps to the Halo ring.[/quote] Did you even read the books? The Spartan III Noble team didn't get a blessing to wear the armor to wear the armor they had to be surgically augmented while the were teenagers to even be able to put on the suits. If you read the books you would remember that they tried putting the armor on a regular marine and when he moved an inch he broke every bone in his body and died. the spartans who did get armor had to have re-enforced bones and muscle enhancing augmentations not including dozens of other upgrades as well. Most of the spartans died during the surgery and the ones who survived all had some form of side effect. Some were lucky like john who made it through stronger but most were crippled and could no longer fight and were given desk jobs. back to Reach The MC, cortana and the PoA along with all the spartans go into space trying to steal a Covie ship to try to find the Covie home world to try and capture a prophet. When Captain Keyes learns of a covie invasion on reach. So when was cortana rushed to the PoA by a second string spartan? She wasn't she was already with master chief in space. Hasley gave cortana to MC and then made him do a training exercise where he killed ODST, ran threw mine fields and was attack by UNSC aircrafts. And if you want to get really technical the Spartan III's wouldn't have had any shield tech on their suits because MC was the first to get that. Yes MC took two other spartans with him and sent the rest to there grave on reach. One of the spartans james got his "jetpack' shot in space and was sent hurtling into the dark abyss while the other linda died while MC and some marines escaped in a pelican. MC got a transmission from a spartan on reach saying they were over run by thousands of covenant and then the line cut out (implying that the spartan talking got killed) Cortana, MC and the PoA never were on Reach while the covenant attacked dismissing the fact that noble 6 and second string spartan had to rush his ass over to the PoA with cortana. Hasley obviously survived because she was in the last book First Strike which means Jun ( if he was ever real in book) must have died protecting her. [/quote] As i have stated before, nothing is contraindicated (except Jun) To start off, the Fleet of Particular Justice sent parts of their fleet to Reach. The first was a scout party, with the supercarrier Long Night of Solace backing it up. As the LNoS was destroyed, the second part of the Fleet of Particular Justice jumped under the Super MAC guns, and was there to soften up Reach for the rest of the fleet. During the next two weeks, the UNSC and Covenant fought for the planet. It was during this that Operation: Red Flag occured. The Spartan-IIs were to be sent to broker a truce through force, and the pillar of autumn would help them with it. As they left Reach, the last and largest part of the Fleet of Particular Justice comes in, and they are ordered to help repel the attack. After this battle, and the success and failure of both Blue Team and Red Team, MC retreats to the PoA to enter cyro. After MC is put into cyro sleep, the book leaves a gap. Here is where the PoA is put back into dry dock and ordered to initiate quick repairs while awaiting a package that Halsey was sending. And you know the rest. The book and game do go well. I can prove it [Edited on 10.15.2010 3:39 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Camera244 If game canon>book canon then we would have no spartan-IIIs[/quote] i have just finished re reading the fall of reach and then compared the times stated in the book to the times stated in the game and not a single dam bit of it adds up properly, for one the spartan IIIs should not even be fighting the covenant on reach a whole month before the covenant even invade reach in the book. Also the pillar of autumn level in game starts at 1600 hours august 30 2552. The book has the invasion starting at 0400 hours august 30 2552 with cortana all the spartan IIs including master chief and the pillar of autumn barely outside of reach at the military ship repair yards. the pillar of autumn only fights above reach and never lands on the planet. The day before august 29th possibly august 30th , on reach the Chief tests out his mjolnir armor, the game has the covenant attacking reach a whole month before this happens. Also as for Dr. Halseys base located in sword base, in the book its called CASTLE base not SWORD base. The book is stated on the cover the official prequel to the award winning xbox game. So to bungie goodjob making up a whole lot of bull and making a game out of it. At first playing the gamer i was like wow this is so awesome the game fits to the story. Then as i thought about it i realized it was all made up. bungie has said that there books and games all add up properly, well they dont and for a game as epic as this should of been, they seriously dropped the ball. So before the "next" halo game comes out whoever the hell is in charge of story really needs to be fired or read the books or something anything to keep us halo nerds that love the story happy, because for awhile i loved this game, now i got a sinking feeling in my stomach that this game is a load of crap storywise, as for gameplay i love it the game plays amazing, however the story is seriously messed up. There are a billion and a half other details that dont add up at all ut these are just the major points i found and wanted to bring to peoples attention.

Halo Reach does change some things about what happened at Reach but that's pretty much it. It was mainly for gameplay/campaign purposes. When it comes to the Fall of Reach, just try to connect the events in the book to canon with the game.

If game canon>book canon then we would have no spartan-IIIs

You put up amazing arguments and questions with reliable facts.. good job, but I must ask you, is it not Master Chief that receives Cortana in the novel Fall of Reach? In fact as I remember he receives her before the fall of reach! So for Bungie to manipulate the story as such is a bit disappointing to the fans of the books, and there are other countless flaws with the game to the novel(s). Which most people that play the games do not have the "time" or the "brains" to read the novels. I guess what they thought was that there was a small community who read the novels and that it really would not stir up any controversy. Oh well it is an amazing series and it is impressive for fans to argue over such things for the right facts.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScooterPie88 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] C0AXiLL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScooterPie88 Well if game canon is over book canon (which I believe they are actually on equal footing) then the game on it's own fails to explain how MC got back from the first Halo for Halo 2.[/quote] Halo 1 ends with you flying back to the UNSC Colonies in a longsword.[/quote] How would the MC fly home in a Longsword?!? It doesn't have an FTL drive and he is hundreds of lightyears from Earth. He would run out of fuel or die of old age before he was even close to getting home.[/quote] You'd have to read First Strike to fill in the blanks, which is why I get annoyed when people act like the games are the only portion of the canon that matter. The books flesh out the universe much more than the games could even hope to.[/quote] I totally agree people act like if it isn't in the game it can't be right. I said as much months ago that the books would contradict this game and that they would have to pull something out of their asses to make it work; which is what they did. People say the books were written by different people. True but what about the encyclopeida that was written by 343 Industries. That is the same people and it supports the books. I'm not saying Reach is a bad game I'm just disappointed they chose to make up a bunch of crap and then "re-release the books" which is nothing but a money grab. [Edited on 10.05.2010 1:56 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ColdAdam010 The game doesn't contradict. Halo Reach the game: You play as noble team that gets the blessing to wear modified spartan 2 armor unlike the spartan 3's The campain takes place before the huge Cpvie onslaught -- e.g. a massive covie force appears in space and a very very big battle with almost every UNSC ship including the Pillar of Autum takes place. So everything you played in campaign is basically true. Except the master cheif being cyroed, i dont think that was in the book. To give some history: When Dr. Hasley gives up Cortana, the Pillar of Autum was on Reach - Although i dont remeber being a small covie attack yet PoA goes into orbit to help fight with Cortana basically controlling the PoA to keep it alive Master Cheif splits up his team, part of it goes ground side, another part keeps in space to fight with him UNSC looses the space battle, the Master Cheif is the only surivor that can fight. Cortana picks a "random destination" which actually she choose a specific one becuase she finally figured out some forerunner/covie coordinates from a piece of rock, and jumps to the Halo ring.[/quote] Did you even read the books? The Spartan III Noble team didn't get a blessing to wear the armor to wear the armor they had to be surgically augmented while the were teenagers to even be able to put on the suits. If you read the books you would remember that they tried putting the armor on a regular marine and when he moved an inch he broke every bone in his body and died. the spartans who did get armor had to have re-enforced bones and muscle enhancing augmentations not including dozens of other upgrades as well. Most of the spartans died during the surgery and the ones who survived all had some form of side effect. Some were lucky like john who made it through stronger but most were crippled and could no longer fight and were given desk jobs. back to Reach The MC, cortana and the PoA along with all the spartans go into space trying to steal a Covie ship to try to find the Covie home world to try and capture a prophet. When Captain Keyes learns of a covie invasion on reach. So when was cortana rushed to the PoA by a second string spartan? She wasn't she was already with master chief in space. Hasley gave cortana to MC and then made him do a training exercise where he killed ODST, ran threw mine fields and was attack by UNSC aircrafts. And if you want to get really technical the Spartan III's wouldn't have had any shield tech on their suits because MC was the first to get that. Yes MC took two other spartans with him and sent the rest to there grave on reach. One of the spartans james got his "jetpack' shot in space and was sent hurtling into the dark abyss while the other linda died while MC and some marines escaped in a pelican. MC got a transmission from a spartan on reach saying they were over run by thousands of covenant and then the line cut out (implying that the spartan talking got killed) Cortana, MC and the PoA never were on Reach while the covenant attacked dismissing the fact that noble 6 and second string spartan had to rush his ass over to the PoA with cortana. Hasley obviously survived because she was in the last book First Strike which means Jun ( if he was ever real in book) must have died protecting her. [Edited on 10.05.2010 11:53 AM PDT]

The game doesn't contradict. Halo Reach the game: You play as noble team that gets the blessing to wear modified spartan 2 armor unlike the spartan 3's The campain takes place before the huge Cpvie onslaught -- e.g. a massive covie force appears in space and a very very big battle with almost every UNSC ship including the Pillar of Autum takes place. So everything you played in campaign is basically true. Except the master cheif being cyroed, i dont think that was in the book. To give some history: When Dr. Hasley gives up Cortana, the Pillar of Autum was on Reach - Although i dont remeber being a small covie attack yet PoA goes into orbit to help fight with Cortana basically controlling the PoA to keep it alive Master Cheif splits up his team, part of it goes ground side, another part keeps in space to fight with him UNSC looses the space battle, the Master Cheif is the only surivor that can fight. Cortana picks a "random destination" which actually she choose a specific one becuase she finally figured out some forerunner/covie coordinates from a piece of rock, and jumps to the Halo ring.

The games come first. Nuff said.

it's called a retcon, and their coming soon

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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScooterPie88 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] C0AXiLL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScooterPie88 Well if game canon is over book canon (which I believe they are actually on equal footing) then the game on it's own fails to explain how MC got back from the first Halo for Halo 2.[/quote]] Halo 1 ends with you flying back to the UNSC Colonies in a longsword.[/quote] How would the MC fly home in a Longsword?!? It doesn't have an FTL drive and he is hundreds of lightyears from Earth. He would run out of fuel or die of old age before he was even close to getting home.[/quote] You'd have to read First Strike to fill in the blanks, which is why I get annoyed when people act like the games are the only portion of the canon that matter. The books flesh out the universe much more than the games could even hope to.

SweetTRIX is right MC and all of the spartans were on the PoA in space preparing for a mission when they learned the covenant attacked reach. Im not saying i don't like the game because i think its a great game and bungie did a good job, but after reading the books for 5 years and then watching the ending of the game i couldn't help but feel confused about which story i liked better. Plus what happened to jun? He must have died protecting Hasley because she didn't die on reach if you read the next two books. The Flood and First Strike, Hasley survived and is in the last book.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] C0AXiLL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScooterPie88 Well if game canon is over book canon (which I believe they are actually on equal footing) then the game on it's own fails to explain how MC got back from the first Halo for Halo 2.[/quote]] Halo 1 ends with you flying back to the UNSC Colonies in a longsword.[/quote] How would the MC fly home in a Longsword?!? It doesn't have an FTL drive and he is hundreds of lightyears from Earth. He would run out of fuel or die of old age before he was even close to getting home.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tocsin201 The Books are cannon. The game we play takes place at the very very begining of the invasion, just moments before the book starts to get into it. Secondly, the location is different. The game is farther north, near the tundra and wide planes. The books are farther south in a more temprate zone and much more of a forrest area. As for the Cheif and Cortana not being on the planet? How do you think they got off world. lol. The very last mission.[/quote] Quite obviously you never read the original run of The Fall of Reach, either that you you just don't remember very much of it. All of MC's Spartans were aboard the Autumn prepping a mission in which they would board a Covvie cruser, infiltrate Covvie space and attempt to abduct a Covvie leader. They were in orbit when the Covvies attacked, not on the planet. I agree (under slight protest) that the games to take precedence over the books, but don't make stuff up.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Calelith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Killer_Rin Game Canon > Book Canon End of Story[/quote] This ^ How many times it needs to be said. Hell if bungie wanted they could have had it where reach didn't fall.[/quote] Book canon [i]is[/i] game canon. The games only take canonical priority when there is an inconsistency, the books are still canon and the authors were given the Halo Story Bible to follow the guidelines. Nylund didn't just spend 7 years writing fan fiction, you know? Reach (the game) is just a massive retcon on Halo canon.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JARHEAD POOLEE The Halo book " The Fall of Reach " contradicts the Halo: Reach game. In the book neither Master Chief, Cortana or, the PoA were never on Reach while the covenant attacked the planet. "which dismisses the ending of the game. Dose anyone else fell confused on why the books and game are so different? plus they put that diary in with the game (for those who bought the upgraded versions of the game) to try to blend the books with the game which didn't fool anyone.[/quote] Take into consedration that not all of bungie made the books

The Books are cannon. The game we play takes place at the very very begining of the invasion, just moments before the book starts to get into it. Secondly, the location is different. The game is farther north, near the tundra and wide planes. The books are farther south in a more temprate zone and much more of a forrest area. As for the Cheif and Cortana not being on the planet? How do you think they got off world. lol. The very last mission.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Calelith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Killer_Rin Game Canon > Book Canon End of Story[/quote] This ^ How many times it needs to be said. Hell if bungie wanted they could have had it where reach didn't fall.[/quote] You're the sort of person that likes the Star Wars Prequals aren't you? If you read Halsey's journal, spend some time in Halopedia, read the books carefully, it all fits together well enough with the game. The Authors of the books have all worked closely with the Halo Story gurus from Bungie and 343. There's even a Halo bible that authors and game makers get to make sure everything stays within canon. Some things may be a little farfetched or hard to swallow, like yes, the Autmn being on Reach's surface, but the fact is, they match up enough that nothing has been changed by the game and the books haven't been ignored.

have you ever read a book and have it be the same as the movie. Its the same thing but. The Fall of Reach came out after combat evolved to give everyone a background on the chief. They werent annticipating making a reach game. AND if you think of a game based off that book without the chief its a little boring. so they did the right thing. IMO

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Killer_Rin Game Canon > Book Canon End of Story[/quote] This ^ How many times it needs to be said. Hell if bungie wanted they could have had it where reach didn't fall.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScooterPie88 Well if game canon is over book canon (which I believe they are actually on equal footing) then the game on it's own fails to explain how MC got back from the first Halo for Halo 2.[/quote]] Halo 1 ends with you flying back to the UNSC Colonies in a longsword.

Book authors were given some freedom. But game canon is considered prime canon. Bungie played nice with what the authors laid down though for the most part.

Canon is just Bungie trying to make the bits games don't show fit together for those who care about it. So if Bungie says this happend it did and books made by people who have nothing to do with the games besides playing them come second.