Let me start with the fact that I loved the Destiny 1 raids and went back to D1 to do WoTM again. It’s just that people like me that either don't have a lot of time, are prone to forget a lot of things quickly, and have a lot of things to juggle while playing has kind of deterred me away from raiding with my friends, and raiding with other people, but really raids altogether. They’re just too complicated and require way too much time to do. With things like Kings fall as long as you Kwtd and have enough time it can be done, but now you have a timer strapped to you and if you can’t get the specific thing done before you the timer finishes your whole fireteam gets wiped. And that’s not even the most prevalent thing to make you wipe! If one guy dies in an awkward place you wipe, if you die before the damage phase you wipe, if you mess up a mechanic then you wipe. There’s just so much that could go wrong and if 1 specific thing does go wrong you’re better off wiping than pushing through. There’s also the community, everyone wants people that know what to do and not everyone does, it’s like you need to have the knowledge to get the knowledge. Then their made up requirements to have an emblem or a weapon or something and it’s just frustrating. The parties I try to figure it out with, and even though they offer to teach me all basically tell me “Look up a guide or get out”, it’s so stupid because the way guides explain it they just jump from one thing to another without much time for you to soak the info in or they never give the layman’s terms version for each one. I’m gonna quote someone from a thread about this topic in December, “are you over 600 light, able to memorize 6 different patterns from a pool of 20+ symbols, solve arbitrary puzzles, and have 6 hours of free time for your first run since lfgs keep rejecting you as a first timer and no one will join the one you made because first timer?” Destiny 1 was way more noob friendly than Destiny 2, the community was more open to helping and the raids were more forgiving. It sucks, it sucks to love a game but the game and the community itself are built to make it hard for you to stay with it. So I’m just gonna say that one of the most attractive and interactive activities has kinda turned me off from D2, I didn’t want to face reality but I can keep doing nightfalls, crucible/gambit and Leviathan all the time now can I? Since I’m on PS4 I’m gonna try out some bloodborne, see where that takes me. I also wanna know if anyone else has these problems like me, it may just seem like a ‘me problem’ but you’d be surprised to see how many people have that same problem. It may be a bit late but there is absolutely no hate to anyone or anything that those people are doing, I’m just a bit ticked off by the game and the way it was built. Edit: Its official, SoTP is actually hard. 10 minutes ago I ran with a squad with someone having TTV in their name so I thought this would be a cake walk. I was sweating through the first encounter, literally sweating. They were on the same page but I was left in the dust on what they were doing. Everyone was speaking too quietly, no one went over the rotations with me so once it was my turn I was like "1, 2, 3, 4, how many ****** are in my store", I was lost, so so lost. I'm currently playing Minecraft, D2 raids, until they are made simpler, are dead to me now.