Can we all appreciate that this dude is using wendigo, well of radiance and lunafactions lol, muted. EDIT: HE’S ALSO USING BUBBLE ON HIS TITAN LOL!

Raids and the reckoning are endgame content and need the best weapons to complete them. You don't see green weapons on raid bosses. A majority of popular and effective weapons require a grind: Outbreak needs you to do a difficult mission, then to make it better you need 3 weeks of puzzles and even harder missions, mountaintop takes way too long to get which is why it's so good when you get it. People using well to increase damage or bubble to stay alive is literally their purposes. You don't have to use well or bubble in these game modes if you don't want to. It's true that nearly all teams want someone with well but you can just post your own lfg and do it how you like. Use chaos reach or titan slam as one has been good since launch and the other has just been buffed. If you have got 3 warlocks and they're all using well then that's a bad use of supers you should have one as add clear or at least have one as a phoenix well for pseudo add clear. If you were to turn down the damage buff and damage resistance for well then it wouldn't change their usage as it's an easy way to buff damage. Ward of Dawn is impractical as the user can't deal damage. Titan bubble is already balanced, you need Saint-14 just for it to be good, even then in PvE, it's trash. In D1 it had weapons of light, all it does is grant a safe haven that you're stuck inside, in reckoning you need to keep moving objectives and the bosses go inside the bubble and knock you out of it. In raids, it isn't used so why nerf it?. IF this change happened then it would just kill off bubble, and make you need 1 mag more of your heavy or secondary, doesn't really seem logical. If you want diversity then make your own post and have everyone do what you want them to do, problem solved without screwing over the rest of the community. Outbreak perfected is only good when you have multiple users firing at the same target, it's how the exotic perk works. Nerfing it would just mean it takes a phase longer of boss damage, just nerf ammo reserves and everyone can go home happy. Nanites aren't the issue. If they were random it would give the chance of every shot making them and you melt a boss instantly. A primary should be able to out DPS any heavy of any sort as why not? You want variety so why not have a variety of DPS options? If I want to use a jade rabbit as DPS on Khali then why can't I? You are aware that Rat King and Tarrabah are primary's and they are equally as good. They both have limitations same as Outbreak needs other people to make the most of it. If you were one phasing Riven with one person then I'd understand but nobody is, it has trouble taking out majors as it is and DPSing without auto reload makes it garbage anyway. "Supers should be fixed" gonna need some clarification on that. An ammo brick gives you around a mag of ammo for that weapon with scavenger perks enhancing that. 100 plus rounds per purple brick are because they are made to ad clear, and it's hard to ad clear with only enough bullets to kill 5 thrall and 3 knights. "Dude you can literally machine gun the entire phase1 and 2 raid boss encounter that’s ludicrous" Calus sure, Argos why not, Val Calor fine by me, Khali is possible, Shuro is a safe bet, Morgeth is a little harder, Riven not even close, Deception just needs any DPS weapon and you're fine, Gahlran - Gonna need something more for when that ammo runs out could I doubt you'll see a clear using only that. Special ammo granting no more than 2 rounds for shotguns and fusions is stupid, The literal point of the term DPS is to get as much damage as you can as fast as you can. Why sit there for 20 mins in front of the bosses face with a close-range weapon to line up the perfect shot when you spray and instantly do more guaranteed as you are actually pulling the trigger. Fusion rifles are underused as it is in PvE. The number of Loaded Questions to Ikelos or Threat level should answer your question. A shotgun has spread (excluding chaperone and Lord of Wolves) so why aim when you want as many to hit as possible for good damage. A single pellet of the shotgun is terrible. The Warlock Well Meta has lasted under a year and with your nerfs, it won't change that. You're throwing big numbers like 70% when realistically you just need to realize that in a game, things are good. Things that are good make things easier. You can find fun in taking 3 days to do 1 encounter in Eater of Worlds are you're using your Erentil and your Mida to try and kill Argos but using weapons like Whisper or Darci are gonna be better. Want challenge then go into a raid using all of the same gun and make a youtube video about it. The game will not be fresh again as what's in the game besides well isn't getting buffed to get used. You're only talking about nerfs that aren't helpful. If you suggested that while around a sentinel you gain a damage buff, or add an exotic to a nova bomb that reloads you weapons when everyone has emptied their mag then sure. Warlocks were diverse with Nova bombs and wells and chaos reaches and stormtrances but you just see most people like one super and that means it must be changed because dawnblade should be able to one phase riven. Well has Usage Rate far exceeding any other supers in PVE content, sure. It's good what do you expect? If you'd like you can pop a rally barricade on top of an empowering rift and the boss is tethered. Or you can use a single well. Which is a lot less effort? Outbreak Perfected Usage Rate in a majority of content across the Board is pretty good compared to other weapons. In PvP it's a pulse with outlaw that feels good, so is a bygones or blast furnace but they don't take exotic. In Gambit you're using machine guns and shotguns or funny enough Chaos Reach to melt bosses, not sitting there with a sniper. In stikes people melt the boss regardless, Raids still use secondary or heavy weapons more, Crown of Sorrow I'll admit is the exception. We all know before DLCs Bungie nerf anything good before new content drops so watch for the TWAB before Shadowkeep and maybe you'll get what you want. What's the point in making content if only a single person enjoys it compared to millions of players who want to play it the way they want. You do you and they can do them. You realize it shoots 3 bullets right? SO making it 20 would leave only 2 bullets in its last mag and that's the lowest of any pulse rifle of the top of my head. Nanites are bad until you get a catalyst and even then they only amplify the damage done by the weapon itself, same with TOuch of malice back in the day. Wendigo's damage lasts for 6 bullets, already balanced. Anarchy is hard enough to get and it has nowhere near the damage of other weapons, it just has the utility of how the weapon works. Mountaintop is a grenade launcher with spike grenades, it's made to do damage. It's just a good weapon but has the risk of blowing yourself up if someone walks in front of you. How much damage should a single shot weapon do per hit? fusions be nerfed as they only do one hit? Should scouts be nerfed for doing more damage in 1 hit compared to an auto? It does single hit damage, additional explosion damage, and more damage on direct impacts, and cannot precision hit. Very good but not stupid. Hey, you wanna damage something, do it the way you want. "Diversity" yanno. Wendigo is powered by the same thing that lets you cannonball at enemies and kill anything you land on, I think a lot of DPS is natural. My Two-tailed fox on void singe and prism does the same, Don't hear anyone asking for it to be nerfed though? Maybe because they have so much health it barely scratches. It calculated a max damage and gave it to you, would you prefer it gives you 1 damage instead? Anarchy is crap at DPS so causing a cheese on the crown of sorrows boss phase seems like a nice equalizer. But there are worse cheeses. The amount of raids that let you skip mechanics (Riven, Khali, and Insurrection Phase 2 as the first that come to mind) CoS is the least of my concerns. Grenade launchers carrying no more than 2 magazines in reserves, sure. 2 bullets are just stupid. Rockets do around the same damage as a Grenade Launcher except they split the damage into multiple shots for ad clear potential. Rockets don't carry only 1 extra bullet, they carry 3+ Overall I see what you're saying and I do agree for the most part. However, the approaches to get the changes in are poor in execution. If you buff other things to make them on par and add other options and fix cheeses then sure. If you don't enjoy a massive rift on steroids then don't use it. But if you want to be the strongest you gotta use the best stuff you can get. So if you'd prefer to make a 160 light adventure difficult then be my guess. Overall play the game how you want to and find others like-minded but don't change it just so you have more people to play like you. I never used Whisper in it's prime, I hated it so I used Darci or Sleeper. There are options, just look for them. Like how Lord of Wolves melted morgeth before Trench barrel and rapid-fire frame shotguns were nerfed. You just gotta know where to look before a Datto video. Either way, have a nice evening and feel free to correct me if you feel I understood your points wrong :)

Imma be honest, after hearing this I would want to kick you, too. I mean, of all things you’d call for a nerf to, you’d seriously wanna nerf the two supers that simply increase survivability? And all because you believe that ruining them more would justify changing up the meta where they are most effective just so you can run whatever you like. Look, such a self-centered single-person mentality doesn’t contribute to the game. The reason why people use a certain super or subclass or weapon for an endgame activity is because that’s what’s best for it. Nerfing those supers wouldn’t promote the belief that there will be more options available; it’ll only enforce those supers simply being weaker and force players to use other strategies simply out of spite to compensate for the diminishing options available. In other words, you’d only be forcing others players to use something else and create an entirely new and unwanted meta in the process. It’s just as stupid as the devs nerfing the Super-Regen Exotics instead of buffing other Supers. And those other nerfs? Please tell me there really is just a Satire tag somewhere in this post because I can’t take something like this seriously.

Hey look guys it’s one of the folks that ruined D2 vanilla!

One 750 character and using wendigo. Useless trolls be useless. Just delete the game clown.

I think this is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen. He wants Bungie to read his week old post so bad he hasn’t stopped bumping it in a week. Do you have anything of value going on in life or is this the only thing you’ve got to live for?

Please turn in your light and leave the game

Wendigo is probably a little strong I will give you that, but nerfing anarchy and mountain top is ridiculous. I can't even remember the last time I even saw an anarchy much less saw it topping damage charts. First off mountain top is not a primary, it is a special weapon so yeah it does a bit more damage. Secondly mountain top although great for damage is only great if you have an instant reload active, and you sacrifice a lot that other special weapons could do much easier. Most of the time when you need a tanky enemy killed you use a special weapon because alone they provide high burst damage at some cost. All suffer from small mags and reload. Shot guns suffer range, snipers suffer precision, fusions suffer charge time, and grenade launcher suffer drastically from mag size and some precision (direct impact damage). What mountain top gives for damage it lack for what you use other special weapons for, versatility. Since you don't have mountain top you probably don't know this but unless you direct impact the damage isn't great and you won't always have a luna well or rally. Also its not easy to hit enemies that move at range directly, and in close range you will probably die from them living or blowing yourself up. Wrap all that up into one weapon and you get a great boss dps but can't kill tanky enemies, and if that is too much of a problem you switch to another special weapon and sacrifice damage for versatility. Finally to address your insane want for grenade launchers to have only 2 in reserves, in short you just got rid of an entire gun type. That is worse than rockets at that point and grenade launchers will just all be replaced by rockets.

Nerfs are necessary. The community refuses to acknowledge it, but it’s absolutely true. If nerfs didn’t exist, everything would continuously get more and more effective, until everything is just laser stable, fast handling... just better in every way. Ttk would also continue to plummet until everything kills instantly. At that point destiny would turn into CoD. And that’s the last thing a space action looter-shooter should be.

So nerf the supers for doing what is intended in the only place where they are used? Not going to happen

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[url=https://youtu.be/bXafBjS41Kc]link[/url] This video proves well is over powered and tractor could also use a damage buff reduction of 20% fix this before shadowkeep please I’m begging you. Everyone in the middle of map disregarding the thrall just shooting away. It’s to easy Bungie

Nah they’re fine. Outbreak is an exotic and should function as such; it’s damn near best in slot which is what I want when I equip it.

[url=http:/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vF7ckMzN4hex-Tse4HPiVs_d9huFOKlvUoq5V41nxU/htmlview#/link[/url] Here is the damage spreadsheet now all you guys who are against me here is the proof that these guns are broken. Outbreak perfected mountaintop and wendigo. Primary out performing heavy and Heavy doing entirely too much damage such as Wendigo. Y’all wanted facts well here you go I have gone full blown rtd trying to prove I’m correct and you never want me to go full blown rtd.🤯