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5/24/2019 3:10:21 PM
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Bungie can’t win, regardless of what they do.
Lately I have seen about 90% of the posts trashing Bungie. While I don’t agree with all the nerfs, I can understand why they did them. Exotics that gave you your supers back made “challenging activities “ pretty easy. Everyone has been using the same things for a year plus, so it’s good to change things up. Also, the LH/NF nerf needed to happen. The crucible becomes stale when almost every player uses a shotgun, LH/NF and Wardcliff. The TTk and flinch are too much for almost any weapon in the game to compete against. We should soon hear about buffs to a lot of weapons and underused exotics. If they don’t, then I will agree with you guys that Bungie messed up the upcoming season.
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1 Reply[quote]. Exotics that gave you your supers back made “challenging activities “ pretty easy.[/quote] Then why in the -blam!- were they made in the first place?
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You must be new here
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[quote]Lately I have seen about 90% of the posts trashing Bungie. While I don’t agree with all the nerfs, I can understand why they did them. Exotics that gave you your supers back made “challenging activities “ pretty easy. Everyone has been using the same things for a year plus, so it’s good to change things up. Also, the LH/NF nerf needed to happen. The crucible becomes stale when almost every player uses a shotgun, LH/NF and Wardcliff. The TTk and flinch are too much for almost any weapon in the game to compete against. We should soon hear about buffs to a lot of weapons and underused exotics. If they don’t, then I will agree with you guys that Bungie messed up the upcoming season.[/quote] May be they should moderate these forums and actually use them as the main channel, rather than Twitter and reddit. They literally post and run.
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6 RepliesEdited by NerdslayerNo1: 5/26/2019 8:44:47 AMBS: Bungie can win by making good decisions regarding their game. They won with forsaken. They won with taken king. They win on lots of things. They lose on enhancement cores and ignoring players about it, and many other bad decisions. Crucible is stale because of bad decisions like not refreshing vendors. Bad matchmaking, making a comp system that punishes solo players for things they can’t control like others leaving, for no new maps, for not having dedicated servers, for introducing op pinnacle weapons in the first place, for after the mistake of pinnacle weapons in the first place putting the pinnacle weapons out there as a super hard carrot that people put ridiculous effort to get and then nerfing them, for removing rift, trials, elimination, for not having all the game modes like mayhem playable all the time, for barely using crucible labs at all, for screwing three weeks of crucible with revelry skip grenade spam, did I mention never refreshing vendors? Yeah I know. I’m saying it twice. Criticism is valid and deserved. They can win. But people are going to criticize bad decisions. It comes with the territory.
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They really can’t. The forums go from wanting one thing, Bungie will do exactly that and then they complain how Bungie is detached from the community and so on. Don’t get me wrong. I sometimes see good arguments on the forums. But many times it’s total bologna. Tbh I feel bad for them. They really want to make a nice game; but have to go through so much toxicity to find real feedback...
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Well said
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8 Replies😇 I'll give bungie a complement that no one here will. Despite alllllllllll of the salt I have contributed to this game...I keep coming back. Everyone keep coming back because we can see the potential this game has. And tho I will be salty again....maybe in the near future, I can't say I haven't had a little fun playing both D1 and D2. Met some amazing people too. I won't talk about the guardians we lost, no one can blame them for leaving. 👿 Don't let that go to your head bungie. You're having by a thread.
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Edited by TakengrinEndmmar: 5/26/2019 2:26:52 AMGee, everyone has been having too much salt in their ramens lately :) P.S. not to the one here who created this thread btw >->
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making NF worthless in pve is kinda a slap in the face to those of us who earnt the -blam!-ing thing though.
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4 RepliesBungie brought this on themselves. They brought back a prenerf Black Hammer. They knew it was an issue in D1. They could have brought back the nerfed version. Instead, they brought it back in its original form and boasted about how powerful it was.
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2 RepliesDown vote and muted
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5 RepliesEdited by ravager-911: 5/24/2019 7:57:51 PM1000% correct. I hope this franchise fails.
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3 RepliesMost people only come in here to complain.
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[quote]Lately I have seen about 90% of the posts trashing Bungie. While I don’t agree with all the nerfs, I can understand why they did them. Exotics that gave you your supers back made “challenging activities “ pretty easy. Everyone has been using the same things for a year plus, so it’s good to change things up. Also, the LH/NF nerf needed to happen. The crucible becomes stale when almost every player uses a shotgun, LH/NF and Wardcliff. The TTk and flinch are too much for almost any weapon in the game to compete against. We should soon hear about buffs to a lot of weapons and underused exotics. If they don’t, then I will agree with you guys that Bungie messed up the upcoming season.[/quote] Well, one [i]minor[/i] (or [i]major[/i] depending on how you look at it) detail that I don't think you're counting, is Bungies [b][i]track record.[/i][/b] When they go on full nerf crusades like the one that was recently announced, very rarely if ever do they give an equal amount of [i]buffs[/i] to offset the nerfs. Another thing with their [i]track record,[/i] is that their nerfs just make way for a [i]new[/i] meta. While I can agree that [i]any[/i] meta gets stale after awhile, they just continue the cycle. Of course you'll have people argue that [i]"aLl fPs hAvE a mEtA".[/i] While that [i]might[/i] be true, you hardly [i]notice[/i] them, if [i]at [b]all,[/b][/i] in other fps games. As far as exotics go, there's [i][b]no[/b] point[/i] in making an exotic, top tier gear with [i]special[/i] abilities if you're going to neuter them to legendary level.
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2 RepliesNext week is going to be the defining point. Cozmo confirmed that Buffs will be detailed in the next TWAB. Will they be enough? Don’t know. Are Titans getting a buff? Hope so. Hotel? Trivago.
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Bungie can't win because of the things they do*
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Bungie can't win because they keep doing the [i]WRONG[/i] things.
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[quote]Lately I have seen about 90% of the posts trashing Bungie. While I don’t agree with all the nerfs, I can understand why they did them. Exotics that gave you your supers back made “challenging activities “ pretty easy. Everyone has been using the same things for a year plus, so it’s good to change things up. Also, the LH/NF nerf needed to happen. The crucible becomes stale when almost every player uses a shotgun, LH/NF and Wardcliff. The TTk and flinch are too much for almost any weapon in the game to compete against. We should soon hear about buffs to a lot of weapons and underused exotics. If they don’t, then I will agree with you guys that Bungie messed up the upcoming season.[/quote] They get the valid criticism they deserve for the product they put out. They get the valid praise too. If the community is frustrated and posting negative feedback it’s they need to hear it, and do something about it. It’s really simple.
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When it comes to PvE, Bungie shouldnt be dictating what people use and for how long. They could design encounters that dont even require you to shoot a boss, or super a boss. They could have modifiers that suppress your supers. Phases where you dont have supers. Etc. Nerfs are considered the lazy way out. I dont mind the nerfs, I'll adapt if I keep playing the game (that decision not based on nerfs), but dont try to say it's because you cant design content around them anymore.
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They can't win on the forums, but Destiny has been winning for five years.
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You say that as if they deserve a win. A lot of the mistakes they made in D2 shouldn’t have been made an them fixing those mistakes doesn’t deserve praise.
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9 RepliesI usually play Devil's Advocate and take Bungies "side" in most matters (not that they need support), but even I think that not presenting prime buffing and sandbox changes in this latest TWAB was a poor choice, especially combined with instead having the TWAB focus on topics that the community here generally doesn't reciprocate with. I said this in some other post, but if the community can be told of impactful nerfs well in advance, why can't they be told of impactful buffs in advance as well?
