Everyone who I’ve seen solo the hardest content has pretty much used Whisper and instantly regenerating supers to do it. Game skill or crutches?

The gear doesn’t make the player. If you gave just some random player the same setup there’s a high chance they couldn’t do the hard stuff on their own. The gear just assists on top of the strategy and ability required.

And. Take Whisper and insta super exotic gear away, and the solo clears won’t happen as much.

What exactly is wrong with some incredibly skilled individuals succeeding in solo clears

Nothing at all. I couldn’t care less. I commented on why they’re nerfing certain gear. when activities that are designed for three or six players are solo’ed and they are usually always using the gear that’s going to be nerfed, I think we all can understand why they’re nerfing it. People are upset about the whisper and exotic armor nerfs, but the reason it’s being nerfed is because that gear breaks the game. “Then design more challenging content!” You may say and it’s a good point. Bungie don’t wanna...

Well that’s blatant laziness then, isn’t it? Once again; it’s not the gear, it’s the user. The gear helps, but only a player who is good enough can do it (hence why I cannot). No, that’s not hypocrisy; the weapons don’t deserve to be ruined to cater to the lazy boss designs that move slowly and have crit spots so large they take effort to miss. And tell me how you can nerf shards. I mean really, it already has 0 effect. What’s it going to do now, increase recharge time?

A simplified version of an earlier post... There are experience players who live in the moment and are looking for challenge. That's all that matters to them. There are progression players who want to grow their character and feel powerful. That's what matters to them. Neither side is wrong, but the game should be able to handle both. Bungie is removing the ability of progression players to enjoy the game because they know progression is temporary. For a progression player, this means it's pointless to play. Experience players cannot understand the viewpoint so they denigrate progression players who are rightfully upset, and tell them to "stop whining". Progression players are NOT afraid of challenge - they accepted the challenge to get the weapons and gear they wanted. They played all modes to get them, even the ones they didn't like. They paid their dues. But set all that aside. Does it strike you odd we are in a cycle of having weapons taken away only to have them drip fed back to us in new form down the road? To a progression player, why ever earn a gun? Why not just keep the vanilla guns and play the content... oh, the goal of a progression player is to play the content to get gear and weapons... And the argument new content has to be built with pinnacle weapons in mind? WELL OF COURSE THEY SHOULD! Bungie stated that as if it was a bad thing and people just accepted it, but that statement should have been dissected, parsed, and discussed more. EVERY encounter ALWAYS has an optimal loadout - they just do by nature. That Bungie has to limit power on the very pinnacle weapons they create in order to create new content isn't a power problem at all; it reveals the limits of their imaginations. Mechanic-->Freeze Boss-->DPS... lather, rinse, repeat. And dangit, why were guns such as WotW created? As DPS monsters to fight the bosses that were Mechanic-->Frozen-->DPS'd. This is why Vault of Glass stands out today (to me) as the best Destiny raid. Sure, WotW would knock Atheon down toot sweet (dig my French?), but getting to the final encounter is much of the fun, and truthfully WotW wouldn't be that useful throughout the preceding material. It was a well-designed raid from beginning to end, with multiple ways to approach it. I guess I would add the weapons that dropped from that raid had perks that were specifically geared to help do the raid, which was nice, and the difficulty of the raid was more about your power level than what weapon you carried. There was a vast difference between a level 28 and a level 30, for instance. Well, this went longer than I intended! Bottom line, TL:DR, etc... Bungie has just gutted the main incentive for many players to engage content. Whether that hits you in particular, you must realize it hit a LOT of players hard. View that as you will, but when your next matchmade event takes 10 minutes to load, or you queue in short on your fire team, you'll know why.

[quote] Progression players are NOT afraid of challenge - they accepted the challenge to get the weapons and gear they wanted. They played all modes to get them, even the ones they didn't like. [/quote] I call bull when something new isnt beat in a few hours the community goes nuts says it's to hard. Most other games take weeks or more to complete the hardest activities this community could not handle it.

[quote]If players steamrolled PvE content with OP weapons, how would it make it challenging? Literally everyone here is whining, because they actually have to have gamesense and skill after the nerf. Quit whining.[/quote] Err Bungie created that situation in the first place by releasing these items into the game and not having enough forsight to see what would happen when brought to bear in the encounters they also designed. So again the players have to adjust because bungie are not capable at all..again

They’re just shifting the meta. Then, a few moths down the road after that it’ll change again, and again. Not lack of competence. Not a lack of game development either.