This has been a long time coming. Once, I would never back out of a match, no matter how sweaty, no matter how kerb-stomped I got by the other team. Or even one really good player on the other team who runs away with the whole match. Not Forgotten/Dust Rock/Wardcliffe has broken the crucible. Time and again I go up against this load out. Whole teams with load outs that are similair. Other guns simply cannot compete. Now, if I'm chasing a crucible bounty and come up against this meta - I'm out. I return to orbit and try again. Bungie, through lack of forsight or whatever excuse or reason put the most stable long range hand cannons in the hands of the best players. What did they think was going to happen? Yeah, I know, "git good, scrub, filthy casual, blah blah" These guns reward precision right? You've got to be good to get them. If the guns are that good, and lets face it, they are, then what chance does the rest of the player base have at getting a decent fun run in the crucible on any given day? The players with these guns are not the majority of the player base and it is killing it for the rest. This game is bleeding players and this has got to be one of the reasons. I think Bungie know it. If you got these guns and you're that good anyway, I can't see dropping them to 150 being a problem for you and you will still sh1t on everyone you come up against anyway. In that case, is this a fix then? I don't know. What is the solution? If you are against trying this as a balance, then what is? If you bring up other hand cannons to directly compete then what's the point of having pinnacle weapons to grind for? Then owners of these guns have had their time wasted and that's unacceptable. Personally, I don't think there is a fix to this. The genie is out of the bottle and whatever happens, someone is getting sh!t on.