OP: Fixing bloom and recoil would drastically change the meta and fix luna's and NF by making other weapons more viable. Here's the proof (PC meta). You: No it wouldnt, because.

It's not a problem of OTHER HCs being "underpowered" it's that 180 HCs in general are very forgiving let alone with the perks LH/NF has cause it to be used 9/10 times by people who own it. I don't see much variety on console other than LH/NF-Shotty. This slight nerf with bring other weapon types into the fold again instead of most everyone running some form of HC. I hope you can read because I know my original reply wasn't "No it wouldn't because". You just want to paint it as that as if I have no idea what I'm talking about. They never nerfed Palindrome in D1 and look at how that is still.

You're the one who can't read. Let me try and dumb it down for you. Eliminating bloom + reducing recoil on console = blanket buff to everything Blanket buff to everything = Good (see: PC) Blanket buff to everything = Weapons other than luna/NF become prominent (For example see: Ace of Spades on PC) Blanket buff to everything = luna/NF nerf unnecessary = Good Nerfing luna/NF = Easy way out = other weapons still bad = bad Nerfing luna/NF = your idea Your idea = bad "Removing bloom and reducing recoil won't fix the lunas problem" = what you said = ignoring proof (see: PC) = stupid What you said = stupid Do you get it yet? Removing bloom and reducing recoil on all weapons will create a healthier PvP AND PvE environment and the proof is PC gameplay. It fixes the 180rpm problem, makes other rpm handcannons not trash, and fixes a lot of other weapons.

I've been able to read a college level since the 3rd grade, so no, I can read it's just your OPINION isn't the answer that CONSOLE PvP needs. Other weapons than the LH/NF aren't bad, LH/NF are just too dominant and run Comp(I've seen way too many matches of 4-stack LH/NF crutchers to not understand these weapons are OP, not other weapons are bad. Also I've been able to run around in Crucible using Y1 Beidenhander and Le Monarque and have been semi-ok but haven't seen stacks of LH/NF just because of the Revelry at the moment.). Do you understand what I'm trying to convey child? LH/NF are OP, other weapons sit in a good spot once those two are adjusted, which is exactly what Bungie is doing to fix. Removing Bloom and Reducing Recoil sounds like you want a cheese mode PvP. But I still enjoy some skill involved on console. The whole reason PC is the way it is is because of the mouse used to aim on PC instead of controllers. Lack of bloom and less recoil helps with mouse users, console users don't need baby mode on. Oh and notice how your examples seem to be MORE HCs. Yeah the only one without a valid argument is yourself as all I see is you still want a HC meta of some sort.

I apologize for coming off so harshly. I'm upset because I feel that Bungie is undermining my time spent both getting better at the game and getting the gun itself. I shouldn't have taken it out on you, and I'm sorry. [quote]I've been able to read a college level since the 3rd grade, [/quote] Nice [quote]so no, I can read it's just your OPINION isn't the answer that CONSOLE PvP needs.[/quote] I disagree. [quote]Other weapons than the LH/NF aren't bad [/quote] Scouts, SMG's, Sidearms, and Auto Rifles (to name a few) I feel don't have a place in this meta. [quote] LH/NF are just too dominant and run Comp(I've seen way too many matches of 4-stack LH/NF crutchers to not understand these weapons are OP, not other weapons are bad. Also I've been able to run around in Crucible using Y1 Beidenhander and Le Monarque and have been semi-ok but haven't seen stacks of LH/NF just because of the Revelry at the moment.). [/quote] Personal experience. My personal experience is that 4-stack Luna users are an easy win and 4-stack Not Forgotten users win because of skill and not the gun. I rarely get 3-tapped by either of these weapons in the first place. [quote]LH/NF are OP, other weapons sit in a good spot once those two are adjusted, which is exactly what Bungie is doing to fix.[/quote] LH/NF are not OP, imo. They're overused because other options aren't good. [quote]Removing Bloom and Reducing Recoil sounds like you want a cheese mode PvP.[/quote] I want a mode where my guns don't kick like a horse and my shots landing isn't something affected by rng. [quote]But I still enjoy some skill involved on console. The whole reason PC is the way it is is because of the mouse used to aim on PC instead of controllers. Lack of bloom and less recoil helps with mouse users, console users don't need baby mode on. [/quote] Having less recoil on guns and having your shots land where you shoot isn't baby mode. I don't think many people enjoy ghost bullets and looking up at the ceiling after emptying a mag. [quote]Oh and notice how your examples seem to be MORE HCs. Yeah the only one without a valid argument is yourself as all I see is you still want a HC meta of some sort.[/quote] I used handcannons because other rpm's besides 180's will have the most drastic change, going from spotty to consistent. Other examples: Auto rifles will become much more consistent with more stability. Same with sidearms and SMG's. The recluse specifically will be much better. More close range options will also bring in shotguns from being a menace.

You should change the word weapons with handcannons. Also, a healthy debate would require both parties to respect each others opinions. Right now you come off as a petulant child.

See you get it. Thank you for reiterating my point. HCs are a problem as a whole as their weapon type is hugely successful in many confrontations and at many ranges. "Blanket buff" is irrelevant here because TTK on the LH/NF are one problem but also their Magnificent Howl perk is just too forgiving. Bringing up other TTKs will only worsen things as it will create a slaughter at ridiculous speeds. Nerfing LH/NF is needed. I'm still working on obtaining those guns and in turn I won't have to go through 4-stacks of LH/NF-DRB Meta crutchers in comp just to obtain these weapons.