I see complains all over the forums about how Lunas Howl and Not Forgotten are OP and I just don't see why? Sure, in the hands of a skilled player they cause havoc, but so do Ace of Spades and Thorn? The Recluse will shred you up close, but so will any shotgun or other 900 rpm submachine guns? I am a shitty player and I can barely hit a stationary...wall. Still I go toe to toe with Lunas and not forgotten players and they die just as easy as players with other weapons. When I die, it's not because of a certain weapon, I die because I have poor map awareness and because other players are better at angling and positioning themselves. When facing other shitty players, with or without a pinnacle weapon, it's a tossup who reacts fastest and who can land those head shots first. So, if you think you get killed because of the weapons, maybe you should consider if you would not feel exactly the same about another gun if Lunas and Not Forgotten was not in the game? Maybe it's not the weapons, but the players better angling and positioning that kill you? Just a thought...