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4/10/2019 12:55:20 AM
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This dev silence has to stop. Players have been contributing pages of legitimate, meaningful feedback, and Bungie does nothing.
It is downright unacceptable to ignore the community in this fashion. It is downright unacceptable to react so slowly, and so poorly, to issues in the game.
Nonsense rhetoric about making infusion “meaningful” is not a real justification; it’s a load of garbage that player testimonial has conclusively shown is inconsistent with the gameplay realities.
I also want to emphasize, Bungie announced the infusion system change basically last minute before deploying the 2.0 patch that prepped for Forsaken. That means the change was forced on a lot of players who preordered the expansion in good faith that Bungie was doing good work. Consequently, a lot of us didn’t really get to “vote with our dollars” as to whether or not we were willing to buy into the game under these infusion conditions. We trusted Bungie, and we got burned. It’s 7 months later, and Bungie hasn’t made it right. There has been no practical accountability of Bungie to their consumers.
Just so it’s said, quite plainly: I WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED FORSAKEN, OR THE ANNUAL PASS, WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THE INFUSION SYSTEM CHANGES.
It would 100% have been a dealbreaker for me. The way Bungie has handled Year 1 gear (by not updating it to year 2 standards, especially the Solstice of Heroes gear) would also have been dealbreaking. I would not have bothered playing the game and grinding for that gear knowing how quickly it would be pushed into obsolescence. Bungie without question has abused player Trust, Patience, and Time. They need to start making right on that. Now. End the silence. Remove infusion cores.
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I barely play this game right now and I've been playing it since 2014 non stop. That's just how bad things are now.
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Nailed it. SBMM @s the deal breaker for me at the end of Y1. That meant I took a “wait and see” approach to Forsaken, and didn’t pre-order. Watching their game-breaking new infusion model simply showed me I was right. I’m looking(very passively!) for a change in attitude, haven’t seen it yet.
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This. 100%. Just stop playing. Or limit your hours. I miss my friends and clan mates(basically the same thing). I don’t miss Destiny. And they don’t miss my complaining about a game I continued to play. 22nd Feb was the last time I played, farming cores for Season of the Drifter, I got to 200+ and realised this wasn’t fun. I wasn’t having fun. So I stopped. I’m going to try to continue to not play this game again till Cores are removed from Infusion. If it’s not done by Season 7, I will not purchase another DLC, Annual Pass or Full game. If those of us who agree, stopped playing or limited our hours, they might finally have the stones to address this.
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I haven’t played since BO4 came out in October. I just stick around the forums to try and do my part to push the franchise back on course, futile though my efforts may be.
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Hey, dmg replied to a thread about eating while on mic, that is the important issues they are focusing on
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His hands are tied. All he can do is keep bringing our discontent to the devs attention. He doesn't have the power to force them to act on it. ...and the people who do have that power, don't have the stones to come out of their offices and face the RW consequences of their design decisions. So we're all stuck....and the reality is that Bungie most likely isn't going to do anything until declining player numbers and sales force them to. The Annual Pass is a sunk cost. They have that money, and we arent' going to get it back. But we can make our anger heard by either reducing our play time....or leaving the game. As well as refusing to give them any more money. So no microspending....and not buying the Annual Pass they're likely to start hyping in a few months. That's where this attitude is likely to come back to haunt them. They have our money now....but they have to come back to us to get more of it going forward....and in a world where Activision is no longer willing to bankroll their production or marketing costs.
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I get that the community managers have no control over those aspects of the game, but they only reply to like 3-5 posts a week, usually with little to no information on there than ‘your feedback has been heard and past on’ and then they reply to a random post about not eating while on mic? That is why they get so much anger hurled to them. The community managers for this game, interact less than most other community managers in any game
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[quote]That is why they get so much anger hurled to them. The community managers for this game, interact less than most other community managers in any game[/quote] Because they have bosses that they have to obey, or else they need to go work somewhere else. ...and the people who sign their paychecks have decided that respectful engagement and customer satisfaction are not the organizational goals here. The execs and devs at Bungie simply want us to continue to play by any means necessary....the want the benefits (in terms of player engagement) of a well-crafted game but without having to expend the resources necessary to turn this **thing** into one. IOW, its like working for a boss who wants your work....but doesn't want to pay you a fair wage for it.
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What is sad, is that players are doing more damage control for the game than actual bungle employees... I totally get what you are saying tho. I hope bungle is paying the community managers well since they are putting them in a no win situation basically all the time
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Bad relationships are often like that. However the bad-actors in this aren't the CMs. They are the pawns being pushed out into the middle of the board to be sacrificed.
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I’ve got nothing against the community managers. This really isn’t on them. It’s on the Devs Proper. Without them providing meaningful things for CMs to do/relay, they’re just left to basically twiddle their thumbs, and try to Band-Aid bullet holes.
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Actually its people in the Executive Suite. The devs wouldn't be doing this without either the tacit....or explicit....approval of the top brass at Bungie. Which is why my opinion of Pete Parsons as a CEO declines by the day. He is either promoting this....or allowing it to go on. Either way, this is poor leadership. That risk long-term damage Bungie, their reputation, and the Destiny franchise..... ....in return for pretty questionable short-term gains.
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I wasn’t intending to distinguish between Dev and Executive level decision making. It’s a lot less clear exactly which party is at fault for exactly which issues and to which degrees without significant internal information that as a rule we don’t have regular access to or insight from, so I don’t normally process a distinction. I do think it’s, for other issues like pace of updates, balance problems, etc, too easy to let the buck slide when you’re making those distinctions and pass the blame, and the punchline is that it doesn’t really matter whether it’s certain tiers of devs doing work, executives giving directives, or whatever breakdown of tiered employees you wish to ascribe. It’s a collective unit, not everyone is to blame equally, but the product is the product. CMs get a distinction because they clearly aren’t involved in doing work and it’s easy to point them out separately.
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I completely agree. This infusion with cores is an outrage. I love this game but enhancement cores have been making this hard for me.
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[quote] I WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED FORSAKEN, OR THE ANNUAL PASS, WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THE INFUSION SYSTEM CHANGES[/quote] same , i quit in october after finishing forsaken story because of cores , didnt even get to experience the annual pass stuff i purchased at all, if they were transparent about ruining the infusion i wouldnt even come back to destiny with such bad experience its very unlikely i will buy future bungie releases
