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Paul Tassi said it perfectly!

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/03/22/bungies-destiny-2-enhancement-core-solution-is-astonishingly-awful/#17be5f1077d1[/url] "They just don’t get it. Or they are purposefully refusing to get it, I don’t know which. I have yet to hear an answer to the question “If enhancement cores are removed from infusion, the problem will be ________.” They can’t fill in that blank with anything other than “infusion won’t be as impactful” which is a nonsense phrase that means effectively nothing at this point. But infusion continuing to rely on cores? I can fill in those blanks no problem with the fact that it results in slower leveling for casual players to the point where they want to quit. There’s less build diversity for everyone because no one wants to spend cores when gear is auto-outclassed every few drops, and the power cap keeps raising every few months leaving everything behind and making nothing worth investing in. Less masterworking. More time wasted chasing one more stupid currency in a game that already has dozens of them and an infinite amount of things to do. I can do this forever. And I feel like I have been." Couldn't have said it better myself. This pig-headed, tone deaf approach to player feedback will end up killing this franchise, and the clueless heads at Bungie will have no one to blame but themselves. They can't hide behind Activision anymore, but they are still acting like they can. I uninstalled Destiny from my PC when I got home from work last night. I have been extremely let down by the content of the Annual Pass and Bungie's we-hear-your-feedback-but-we-don't-care approach to the game as of late. I guess I might come back for Year 3... IF Bungie pulls their heads out of their asses!

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  • Sheesh. This guy gets it. This is what these newcomers, and longtimers (yes longtimers, I’m lookin at you bastards, shame on you for still defending cores for infusion) don’t understand. Has everyone forgotten about d1’s infusion system, something that was 10x better than what we have now? Such a disappointment. This is why I deleted d2 off my ps4, I’ve lost all hope. Upvote deserved

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    • Removing cores from infusion only helps the entire player base. No hardcore player is going to leave the game because they don’t need cores for infusion. It would help returning players catch up and feel like they aren’t being purposefully slowed by a terrible leveling system. It’s bad enough that you could do 5 milestones and get an energy weapon that isn’t even higher than the one you have but if you want cores you have to grind the tangled shore/spider bounties for an hour plus for a measly 6 cores.

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      • Edited by puppyk1sses: 3/25/2019 11:17:27 PM
        There’s gotta be SOME cost to enhancements, but it shouldn’t be anywhere near as rare as it is. I’d just make cores drop like candy so anyone that plays a lot will be drowning in them. Make strikes stop 3-5 at a time, Crucible drop 3-5 at a time, ultras and majors have a chance to drop them, chests have them, etc. problem solved. If you play the game a lot, you enhance without a care. Or just delete the cores from the game and use like 1 legendary shard per enhancement

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      • Edited by Kanashimi510: 3/22/2019 6:48:45 PM
        One of the only times I've seen the majority of bungie forum and reddit destiny posters coming together on something. It seems the majority of the community wants cores removed from infusion. Can we just have them be masterwork cores again? [quote]Infusion isn't impactful. Master working should be. Infusion is a basic mechanic that needs not be "meaningful" or expensive. -GhostbusterJ[/quote]

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        • Yeah, I hope he gets a job at Bungie. It is unclear to me why Bungie hates their players so much. Also.... 5 eververse armor sets since forsaken dropped. Still the same crucible, vanguard and gambit armor.....

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        • Edited by SmashvilleViking: 3/30/2019 2:45:09 AM
          Yeah... Paul Tassi. The same guy that dug into Gearbox for not giving a BL3 release date, and saying he learned nothing from the BL3 trailer. I guess he was givin info ahead of time, or saw a different trailer than we did. Everyone should listen to him.

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          • Over bearing grind as a substitute for content.

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          • Nice, over a 1000 upvotes. You just keep burying your collective heads in the sand though Bungie. I am sure “everything will be fine” 🙄😡🤬

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            • Edited by SmokeShadow_27: 3/24/2019 8:17:31 PM
              If you don't read all of this, I don't blame you. But if you do, I think everyone will be able to relate, or at the very least, understand To everybody, especially Bungie, attempting to justify a broken system, please hear my perspective. I have defended Destiny for the past what, 5 years? I'm a day 1 D1 veteran who has always shut down the haters. I support bungie through thick and thin. But I also have no lifed this game and I hoarde. So I have every material I will ever need. I have thousands of crucible tokens, vanguard tokens, raid tokens, etc to help my lagging titan level up whenever needed. I have thousands of gunsmith materials, hundreds of MW cores, and hundreds of mods components (not going to waste them now until infusion cost is changed). I am far from the typical person complaining because he didn't put in the time that another player did. I am also in a select group of players like me whose progress and stock of materials should not dictate the economy for average players. With this being said, I now have a unique perspective of the game. After years of me hoping she would, my gf has finally begun Destiny. I now see the massive flaw with this game. She has been leveling quickly due to my guidance and tips (which would be substantially more difficult if she didn't have someone like me to help her maximize efficiency while still having fun.) But here's what sucks: I was so excited when she got raiden flux, for example. She loves arcstrider. So for about half an hour at best, she loved the exotic perk from RF. Once it was outclassed by about 20 levels, she has never worn it since. How about Origin Story or Kibou? I was stoked once again since she loves auto rifles. 20 minutes later, she never used those two again. She is always maxed on glimmer and has a fair amount of planetary materials, so if infusion was legit cost, she could still be using some of these coveted items. But no. She has 1 masterwork core. Wtf is she gonna do? She doesn't complain much, cause we are having fun but she is missing out on using all the best legendaries and exotics the game has to offer. Instead of getting excited about a drop (which I know to be an exciting drop), she simply doesn't give a shit, because it might as well just be another blue item to her, soon to be outleveled by the next drop. Hello?! Isn't a huge part of Destiny being excited about drops? C'mon, I'm sure we can all agree here. This is a problem. To demand a new or casual player use blue gear mixed with mediocre purples from level 0 all way to level 700 is a massive -blam!-ing problem and an astoundingly shortsighted position to take. She does not grind like me, so it will be a long time before she hits 700, and once she does, unless I get her to farm Spyder bounties instead of doing the fun stuff we enjoy, she still will not be able to infuse anything, let alone ever masterwork a -blam!-ing gun. I hope my perspective hits home with somebody at Bungie. I am as much a veteran as you can get, and I have a rookie gf, and seeing how diminishing the experience is for her is truly a shame. Every exotic she gets is vaulted. What's the point? Most of them being mission rewards are underleveled anyways. Bungie, don't you want people to enjoy the legendaries and exotics in this game? Why cripple so much of the playerbase? This is absolutely absurd. I actually used to be one of the ones defending enhancement cores for infusion. I get it completely: level smart, use same gear pieces, use exotics, pull from collections, use the Brother Vance farm, don't infuse every 10 levels, etc, I've heard it all and done it all. Yet I see past all that now, having a unique perspective from both a no lifer's and a noob's point of view. Removing cores from infusion causes zero issues. Absolutely zero. There's no emotional feeling I get from infusing. That's a bullshit excuse from Bungie to make us play longer, to attempt to excuse the chores they want us to do. Keeping them as part of infusion only causes headaches, less fun, more tedious tasks, and more people leaving the game. My gf and I have been having fun together in D2, but there's another D2 that just came out that doesn't seem to have one glaring major issue that the community constantly asks to be fixed.... maybe we will try that out soon. Because blues and shitty purples can only keep my gf interested for so long. #removecoresfrominfusion Sincerely, A lifelong Destiny veteran and defender, who has finally seen the light, and I can only hope Bungie listens. PS Paul Tassi Forbes article says it perfectly. TL:DR The economy should not be dictated by people like me who have no-lifed this game and hoarded for years. We will always have more than everyone else; so be it. But allow everyone else to enjoy the game too, and not be crippled because of the no-lifers and their outrageous stock of materials. They are not hurting anyone by having a bunch of materials, but Bungie is hurting everyone else by dictating economy according to these select players with tons of everything.

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              • 1k upvotes. Unreal. I’m sure they still need feedback.

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                • Edited by Xc_LuxZenRa: 3/26/2019 3:20:16 PM
                  pass this to the Dev Team. Let us be very clear! [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251450868?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Edited Version: Those that Prefer No Emoji's~Follow Me.[/url] Bungie: 🤭We Hear you! Bungie: 🥳based on your feedback🥳 we will Remove Scrapper Bounties and add Gunsmith Bounties to earn more cores. Community:😐😑 IT WON'T BE ENOUGH! THIS IS NOT A FIX!😤😡🤬 Bungie: 🧐We Hear you!..🖕Ahem: Our hope(Just Leave it alone🧟‍♂️ Guardians)is that this increased access and control😈over Enhancement Core acquisition will help improve the balance of materials being earned vs. materials being used.🤥🤫 Community:🗣 Bungie, 🗣🗣BUNgie, BUNGIE!!🗣🗣🗣 don't you get it??? [b]“If enhancement cores are removed from infusion, the problem will be ________.” [/b]🙏🙏🙏🤨🤨😡 Bungie: 🙄...infusion won’t be as impactful. 🕴🏼We keep a close eye on the amount of infusion materials being earned versus how many are being used and will continue to make adjustments as needed.” Community: 💩🤮🤯🤯🤯😫🙅‍♀️🙅‍♂️😡😤 1)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418699?sort=0&page=0]Wow Even the Forbes Guy Thinks Your TWAB Solution Is Terrible[/url] 2)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418262?sort=0&page=0]It's a game/hobby, not a job.[/url] 3)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251417963?sort=0&page=0]Paul Tassi said it perfectly![/url] 4) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418573?sort=0&page=0]FORBES:[/url] 5)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251463085?sort=0&page=0] Bungie. Listen. To. Your. Community.[/url] 6)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418097?sort=0&page=0]At this point, Bungie is begging us to boycott the game[/url] 7)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251412308?sort=0&page=0]The TWABs (Solution) To Enhancement Cores is Unacceptable[/url] 8)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251422793?sort=0&page=0]Can we get rid of stupid enhancement cores?[/url] 9) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251452307?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Play a Game Where The Devs Listen[/url] 10)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411799?sort=0&page=0]Enahancement core changes show bungie doesn't care about our feedback.[/url] 11)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251428261?sort=0&page=0]The Core Poll[/url] 12) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251414088?sort=0&page=0]#CoresRemoveChoice and a Proposing a Boycott?[/url] 13) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251456236?sort=0&page=0]Why do changes take so long?[/url] 14) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251464650?sort=0&page=0]I'm waiting for Enhancement Cores to show up in bundle packages[/url] 15)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251419308?sort=0&page=0]Let's show bungie they need to remove master cores or change to only one per infushion please up vote![/url] 16)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251410810?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores[/url] 17) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251464433?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores from infusing[/url] 18)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251436487?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores from infusing bungie[/url] 19)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251416524?sort=0&page=0]Remove Infusion Cores simply to gain back some customer goodwill[/url] 20) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251453120?sort=0&page=0]REMOVE. CORES. FROM INFUSION. COSTS.[/url] 21)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418537?sort=0&page=0]You should start listening to your community rather than say your listening[/url] 22)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411913?sort=0&page=0]THE INVESTMENT TEAM IS TONE DEAF![/url] 23)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251419439?sort=0&page=0]Ditch the cores![/url] 24)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251438928?sort=0&page=0]The Infusion Problem Will Get Worse Each Season[/url] 25)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251416147?sort=0&page=0]The enhancement core bounties are no fix[/url] 26) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251427662?sort=0&page=0]Why replace scrapper bounties when you can have both?[/url] 27) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418315?sort=0&page=0]The amount of ways you get Enhancement Cores is not the problem. It's how wasteful using them for infusion is.[/url] 28)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411497?sort=0&page=0]Are you happy with the announced changes regarding Enhancement Cores next season?[/url] 29) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251422336?sort=0&page=0]Is Bungie Not Gonna Address 95% Of The Communities Concern?[/url] 30) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251345297?sort=0&page=0]The leveling is still bad[/url] 31)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251436069?sort=0&page=0]Congrats Bungie![/url] 32) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418266?sort=0&page=0]Thank you Bungie Dev Team! I finally made a "meaningful choice"[/url] 33) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251439614?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Masterwork cores need to return. #coresremovechoice[/url] 34) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251464519?sort=0&page=0]Last screams of the missing neighbours[/url] 35) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418636?sort=0&page=0]Tired of my characters looking like patch work dolls for the sake of light level[/url] 36)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251412287?sort=0&page=0]Bungie doesn’t respect player time investment[/url] 37) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251461764?sort=0&page=0]Bungie doesn't read any feedbacks written in other languages.[/url] 38)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418128?sort=0&page=0]Bungie out of touch[/url] 39)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251413867?sort=0&page=0]Strengthen Your Core (from a players perspective)[/url] 40)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251441917?sort=0&page=0]A unique perspective on cores and infusing[/url] 41)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418132?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=0]Letter to Devs -[/url] 42) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251450868?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]A Message to the Bungie Team! -Click Me-[/url] 43) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251441735?sort=0&page=0]Don’t give up on destiny[/url] 44)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251463732?sort=0&page=0] Make your case for KEEPING enhancement cores as part of INFUSION.[/url] 45) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251434856?sort=0&page=0]Open invitation to any Bungie developers that would like to have a discussion with the forum community on investment and progression[/url] Bungie: 😣😬🤐🤐🤐 Thinking:*😏 We told em in the TWAB the changes won't come until next season😆. that gives us more than enough time to come up with another Non-solution. 😎GG Team...GG.* Bungie: 👮‍♂️Guardians, guardians...👮‍♀️Settle Down. 🕴🏼You know Us.🕴🏼 Remember the Good old 🕹Halo Days(We Sure Don't)!? I can 🙄assure you that we are listening(⚙️⚙️⚙️). As always, we’ll be continuously 😴monitoring this item economy, along with your 💩feedback to assess its effectiveness.” [url=https://youtu.be/87pr-fguT8I]Destiny 2 Leveling is Still Bad[/url] [url=https://youtu.be/QXGoaFCtX6I]Destiny 2 Leveling Easy Fix[/url]

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                  • If gothalion, triplewreck, and people that don't even play anymore (drlupo) suggest they change it, i bet $20 they'll change it. Everybody should know that this company will physically bend over for streamers.

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                  • I don't understand why players are even bothered to infuse gear until they hit max power level. And then you should only bother infusing copies of gear for glimmer only and save your cores for actual Masterworking. Infusion is only a part of progression if you aren't patient. So WE make that choice to make Enhancement Cores an issue during leveling. Players are being stubborn because they need immediate gratification rather than just playing the game and worrying about power level in specific gear later. The system is in place to make a choice and you can either burn through cores or be patient and get to the same point later with more gear Masterworked.

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                    • 1000 upvotes and not a single dev or mod reply.

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                      • Edited by itsnreekay: 3/25/2019 4:11:26 PM
                        Paul Tassi 👍💯

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                      • Obviously since so many people are complaining they are as impactful as they should be. Remove the cores from infusion and everyone will complain about not having enough shards and for the glimmer cap to be increased. Seriously you just have to not infuse everything everytime you get a 2 light higher piece of gear. So no matter what they do whether they wanted it or not...

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                      • I literally just read Paul's article and was about to share the link as well. This guy plays Destiny 2 a lot and seems to be more alike to the normal gamer than a streamer is.

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                        • Congrats on posting a comment that has the highest number of up votes I have ever seen.

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                          • We hit 1,000 upvotes folks. Hats off.

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                          • Considering how contentious the cores are, at this point I think it would be better to ditch the cores entirely.

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                            • bump + like

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                            • They won’t listen

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                            • Boycott date?

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                            • No

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                            • Enhancement cores=etheric light

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                              • Why don’t they just bring back Ethiric Light back? It is was material introduced back in HoW. (You only needed 1-3 of these to not only infuse fear but also allow Y1 gear to turn to Y2 gear). It also allowed rerolls on weapons. Best quality of Ethiric light was that it wasn’t that hard to get and the scarcity of the resource isn’t like the chances for Enhancement Cores.

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