I actually love several in those archetypes. Kindled orchid, ace of spades, better devils, those are just a few. The difference between them and 180s generally, is the range. If you stay at distance, they can compete fine. The other aspect is pacing your shots and ensuring each shot is on target, if it is, it will connect. 180s are easier to use and probably are a little better at the moment, but I think the other archetypes are pretty close, they just need to be used differently. 180s can be spammed from close to medium range. The others need.to be used at medium to long range and paced. That's the difference that I see anyway.