I agree, although with D2 I prefer PvE. I do play other PvP games. Problem with a format like Destiny, is you have 17% (Total guess) of players who are primarily PvP player's. You get someone like me, playing PvP occassionally perhaps to obtain AoS getting plastered by players who prefer PvP , thus making it unpleasant and unlikely for players like me to return. Gambit has been a nice addition as the adds do mitigate the advantage primarily PvP player's have in a setting like Crucible. This is in no way a dig toward those who prefer PvP in Destiny. I am simply pointing out a possible reason why PvP in Destiny seems to be strongly supported by a small percentage of players and largely ignored by the majority. In games like CoD or Titan Fall, you know you are getting a game in which the vast majority of players are getting for the PvP experience. In a format like Destiny, I believe but don't know that most play for PvE. Which begs a question, "Why are so many weapons quests tied to PvP?"