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Edited by jpguzman9215: 2/27/2019 4:44:48 PM
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Sadly 180 hand cannons and shotguns ruined crucible

I remember the d1 days when there was a colorful mix of weapons and everyone used different things based on what they liked and the type of game they played, not like now that everyone uses the same 2 shotguns and the same 3 180 hand cannons, sad!
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  • What kind of changes would you like to see to move away from this?

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      [quote]everyone uses the same 2 shotguns and the same 3 hand cannons[/quote] 1.Matador 2. Party crasher 1. Hawk moon 2. Last word 3. Thorn I have almost 2500 hrs across both games and honestly crucible is in a really good place right now in terms of variety and most weapon types are totally viable if you’re not a dumbass

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      • D1 was vex, suros, red death, thorn, last word, felwinters lie, truth etc It's still the same.

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      • You did not play d1 if you thought it was a colorful mix of weapons in the crucible lmfao

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        • Edited by S1N1STER_S1X: 3/1/2019 4:37:16 PM
          The meta rotated in d1 just like it is in d2. You're delusional.

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        • You are calling Matador, Grasp of Malok, and Eyasluna a diverse set of weapons? Oh let us not forget No Land Beyond and the Trials SMG- IT IS THE SAME DAMN META. The mets changed when they nerfed shotguns to the ground then a nerf train ensued.

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          • Nope. They helped a little, but it was matchmaking.

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          • Put SBMM back on in quickplay. Let the sweaty DR/Luna/Wardcliff folks just fight each other. :)

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            • Ah yes, everyone using different weapons... Wait. *checks notes* D1 Vanilla: Suros, Fusions, Vex D1 Y1 post patch: Thorn, Suros, TLW, Hawkmoon, Found Verdict D1 Crota: Thorn, Spindle, HoC, TLW, shotguns D1 HoW: Thorn, TLW, Hawmkoon, Matador D2Y2: Pulse Rifles D2Y3: More pulse rifles with some HCs

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            • The biggest meta was sweaty hunters with blink strike and a shotgun.

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              • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251140873?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1 Looks like LH/NF owners are happy with their guns and the pubstomping, which is going on in the crucible since 6 months.

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              • Thorn is just around the corner 🔫

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                • You mean side arms, ice breaker, universal remote, and last word?

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                • Auto rifles and fusion rifles ruled vanilla D1, TDB was shotguns and Hand cannons, then it was Snipers and Hand cannons for HoW, Pulse rifles then replaced hand cannons, and lastly RoI ended with Snipers and sidearms. The only one of these were the general consensus was mostly happy was probably HoW, where every gun had a luna/NF ttk. I see no difference between a Bones of Eao, Eyasluna, Felwinter, Truth hunter from D1 to Dust rock, Luna, ward cliff, stomp EE5 hunter now.

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                • Edited by Freak: 2/28/2019 5:39:24 AM
                  lol Take off those rose colored glasses. D1 Shotties sh!t on D2’s. They were Nerfed on 10 separate occasions. Thorn and TLW were twice as worse as LH ever thought about being. Every 3 post on the forums back then was nerf Thorn and/or TLW. Then the Messenger/Hopscotch then It was the Doctrine of Passing, Grasp/Clever Dragon, then Luna/Palendrome. And I won’t even mention Final around Snipers ;) Until you take classes and weapon Archetypes out of this game it is ALWAYS going to have a meta. Your Nostalgia is clouding your memory. D1 was twice as popular and people bitched twice as much. Nothing new to see here folks. Move along.

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                  • Almost 90% of the time during D1 the Meta was hand cannon/shotgun. So idk what you’re remembering...

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                    • I think people’s memories of d1 are clouded, for the longest time the meta was shotgun/hand cannon...

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                      • "Colorful mix" Icebreaker and sticky nades...

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                      • The truly worst meta was the side arm sticky grenade

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                        • In d1 I remember the meta changing every 3 to 6 months. Every different gun was the meta. Last word then auto rifle, then pulse rifles scout and snipers. The last meta was sidearms. Bungie said crybabies ruined d1 so they weren’t going to nerf as much as in d2. Nerfing is not the answer. Buffing other weapons up to speed with other guns is. Nuff said

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                        • For the longest time in d1 it was handcannons and shotguns though? Up until the taken king was when it kinda started to die off imo. Last I remember everyone using the mida and remember how aggravating it was that it was back in d2

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                          • I think you may need to look over the rose tinted glasses. Every week since forever, through both d1 and d2, there have been gripes about current meta. When shotguns became “useful” again in d2, it was likened to returning to d1. Thorn, say no more..

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                            • Welcome to Destiny, first time playing?

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                            • This game has always had rigid metas in PVP. ...and people always complaining that dominant weapons are overpowered. Shotguns are fine. The problem is the map designs. Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten were always going to be a problem. But Bungie traded the short term benefit of enticing people to grind the Crucible to earn them for the long term problem that giving the best players both a skill and a gear advantage would cause.

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                              • Edited by killerpatriot84: 2/28/2019 7:33:16 PM
                                yeah colorful HC shotguns snipers and we gotta remember the aim bots in both games as well.

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                              • Even in D1 the meta changed from TLC to TLC, remember the 2 burst pulse rifles? Remember TLW, Thorn and Hawkmoon meta (my favourite) or the shitty side arm sticky nad meta?? What Bungie has done with the current shotgun nerfs is just repeat their mistakes in D1 by listening to the complainers instead of taking constructive criticism and chose to buff the weapons that are the least used to bring them up to par or better yet shift the meta. Theirs a lot of changes I’d like to see; I’d like too see high impact pulse rifles 2 burst if you land all 6 head shots at the restrictive range. In like too see high impact hand canons deal 93 for a head shot. I’d like too see mid impact hand canons classic 3 tap (D1 style = 1H and 2B). I’d like to see 720 rpm autos melt like doctrine did before nerf at super close range. Scouts are honestly in a good place, anyone who likes to sit in the back of the map and farm KD can do so but it’s not a common play style. Bungie has a lot of things to learn from the community and they need to listen to those who actually play the PvP of their game over top of those people who play their few games for the weekly then do PvE all week.

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