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2/16/2019 3:40:38 AM
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And pro-life people don't really care about the life of a child, since a good chunk of them don't care that there were children housed in cages. Also with no way of being reunited with their family.
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Edited by Liam_the_Censor: 2/16/2019 3:55:15 AMMany pro-lifers try to adopt or foster children and donate to charities to help the mothers take care of the children. Also, the children being separated from their “families” was to prevent human trafficking.
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[quote]And pro-life people don't really care about the life of a child, since a good chunk of them don't care that there were children housed in cages. Also with no way of being reunited with their family.[/quote] A good chunk of pro-life people care about the life of a child enough to foster and adopt them. See, you can’t generalize the pro-lifers. But all pro-choicers CAN be generalized because they dehumanize and devalue the choice of the unborn child to live or die. To them, the parent has ethical authority to murder their child at any convenience, and in America, it now extends to right up until birth, and arguably, even after.
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Tu quoque: avoiding having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser, answering criticism with criticism. You did engage in some though. It’s not that pro-choicers devalue human life, it’s just that they value the female’s choice over the fetus. From what I can tell. [spoiler]I’m getting some JC flashbacks.[/spoiler]
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[quote]Tu quoque: avoiding having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser, answering criticism with criticism. You did engage in some though. It’s not that pro-choicers devalue human life, it’s just that they value the female’s choice over the fetus. From what I can tell. [spoiler]I’m getting some JC flashbacks.[/spoiler][/quote] The criticism doesn’t apply to me. Valuing the mother’s choice over the baby is devaluation and dehumanization of the child. They are both equally human.
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Sure. It’s not moral. It might just be a name. A cover-up perhaps. [spoiler]perhaps you could join the void[/spoiler]
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I see. You point out my pathetic post- which is the exact same as yours but reversed- and yet refuse to see the point. Well, from one shitpost to another, enjoy your parody.
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[quote]I see. You point out my pathetic post- which is the exact same as yours but reversed- and yet refuse to see the point. Well, from one shitpost to another, enjoy your parody.[/quote] You are projecting.
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[quote]But all pro-choicers CAN be generalized because they dehumanize and devalue the choice of the unborn child to live or die. [/quote] And you generalize. I suppose you would prefer that a woman who was impregnated due to -blam!- be forced to carry out her term to the very end? Or that a mother finds out that she has a greater chance of not surviving her child's birth? Couple of examples. You blame pro-choicers for denying the rights of an unborn child, and yet lay a claim on the rights of women. Not only do you make generalizations, you're also a hypocrite.
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There is a difference between abortion and self preservation. The self preservation has been legal since fifties the abortion act was to allow pregnant people to kill the babies even if they were in no danger.
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Self preservation through abortion. People have their reasons for supporting abortion. The examples I've mentioned are some that I agree with. Had the OP worded their arguement better originally instead of doubling down on a shitpost, this would be over by now.
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[quote]Self preservation through abortion. People have their reasons for supporting abortion. The examples I've mentioned are some that I agree with. Had the OP worded their arguement better originally instead of doubling down on a shitpost, this would be over by now.[/quote] Most of the time, those reasons are petty. Very rarely is self-preservation a reason for the abortion.
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Do not take it that I am supporting it, I am just saying that Abortion is different from women saving themselves. Yeah he definitely could have worded it better
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No I understand what you mean!
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[quote][quote]But all pro-choicers CAN be generalized because they dehumanize and devalue the choice of the unborn child to live or die. [/quote] And you generalize. I suppose you would prefer that a woman who was impregnated due to -blam!- be forced to carry out her term to the very end?[/quote] Why should the baby suffer the death penalty for the father’s poor choices? [quote]Or that a mother finds out that she has a greater chance of not surviving her child's birth? [/quote] Why should the baby suffer the death penalty for this? [quote]Couple of examples. You blame pro-choicers for denying the rights of an unborn child, and yet lay a claim on the rights of women. Not only do you make generalizations, you're also a hypocrite.[/quote] A majority of performed abortions in America are for reasons other than r a p e and medical threat of life. Labor and 9 months of gestation are a small price to pay for a life. Choosing to have a child murdered for the sake of convenience is completely depraved.
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-blam!- is poor choice of the father? Its more than just a poor choice. Either way the child will suffer, being born by a mother who never wanted that child to begin with due that child being fathered by her rapist. Why should the mother be forced the death penalty for this? You can provide statistics if you so desire, but that won't account for what is being discussed here: Your hypocrisy.
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[quote]-blam!- is poor choice of the father? Its more than just a poor choice.[/quote] You split hairs to make a null point. [quote]Either way the child will suffer, being born by a mother who never wanted that child to begin with due that child being fathered by her rapist.[/quote] Everyone suffers. You don’t know that the mother will continue resenting the child. You don’t know if someone will adopt. Bottom line: you don’t know the future. [quote]Why should the mother be forced the death penalty for this?[/quote] Why should the baby be forced the death penalty for this? [quote]You can provide statistics if you so desire, but that won't account for what is being discussed here: Your hypocrisy.[/quote] You project here. You are a hypocrite for promoting infanticide. This is why I have successfully struck a nerve with you, and out of pure pride and ego you will deny it. You are frustrated that this little skirmish did not go as easy as you hoped. You are angry that someone would call you out on your bullshit. You refuse to admit your hypocrisy because of self-righteousness. Out of your frustration you will procede to defy me out of a vain attempt to find footing against me. You’re shooting blanks. https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
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Edited by cRaZyT101: 2/16/2019 5:22:38 AMThank you for providing statistics, however I don't see them helping you much here because I am not arguing statistical nature. I'm calling out your blatant hypocrisy and fallacies used. You downplay legitimate reasons why women should have access to abortions- reasons why people are pro-choice. Not all, obviously. Yet you lump them all in together. Damn the voice of women, right? You accuse me of supporting infanticide- gaslighting my post while claiming I am projecting- while downplaying -blam!-. Need I say more? Edit: You haven't struck a nerve with me. You get ahead of yourself, I don't lower my patience for trolls such as yourself.
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[quote]Thank you for providing statistics, however I don't see them helping you much here because I am not arguing statistical nature. I'm calling out your blatant hypocrisy and fallacies used.[/quote] All of which are non-existent. [quote]You downplay legitimate reasons why women should have access to abortions- reasons why people are pro-choice. Not all, obviously. Yet you lump them all in together. Damn the voice of women, right?[/quote] You downplay legitimate reasons why children should have the chance at life, reasons why people are pro-life. Damn the voice of the innocent and helpless children, right? All humans who promote and support pro-choice ideology, by pure unconsidered implication, devalue and dehumanize the baby. [quote]You accuse me of supporting infantacide- gaslighting my post while claiming I am projecting- while downplaying -blam!-. Need I say more?[/quote] Abortion is infanticide. R ape is definitely a poor choice. That you are triggered because you don’t like my inconsequential word choice is vain. [quote]Edit: You haven't struck a nerve with me.[/quote] Apparently I have. [quote]You get ahead of yourself, I don't lower my patience for trolls such as yourself.[/quote] That’s quite shortsighted conclusion there.
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[quote]All of which are non-existent.[/quote] Gaslighting and generalizing. [quote]You downplay legitimate reasons why children should have the chance at life, reasons why people are pro-life. [/quote] Could you tell the class where I've done this? [quote]Abortion is infanticide. R ape is definitely a poor choice.[/quote] There's that downplaying in action, real time. -blam!- isn't a good enough reason to have access to abortions? I've come to such conclusion because you're congratulating yourself on apparently striking a nerve to me. Such as trolls try to do, no? Unless you think me making posts in replying is "getting me", which is amusing.
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[quote][quote]All of which are non-existent.[/quote] Gaslighting and generalizing. [/quote] I see none, but on your end. [quote][quote]You downplay legitimate reasons why children should have the chance at life, reasons why people are pro-life. [/quote] Could you tell the class where I've done this?[/quote] By not giving equal value to the chance of life for the child. You deem the voice of the mother as superior, not equal to the child’s. [quote][quote]Abortion is infanticide. R ape is definitely a poor choice.[/quote] There's that downplaying in action, real time. -blam!- isn't a good enough reason to have access to abortions?[/quote] How is r ape not a poor choice? Why should the baby be given the death penalty as a result of the father’s poor choices? [quote]I've come to such conclusion because you're congratulating yourself on apparently striking a nerve to me. Such as trolls try to do, no? [/quote] Nowhere have I congratulated myself. [quote]Unless you think me making posts in replying is "getting me", which is amusing.[/quote] I’ve gotten you by other means and of different reactions of yours.
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[quote]By not giving equal value to the chance of life for the child. You deem the voice of the mother as superior, not equal to the child’s.[/quote] In instances where either the child was conceived due to -blam!-, or if the mother's life was to be endangered by carrying out the term to the end. I haven't gone beyond that. Please, you're free to try again. [quote]How is r ape not a poor choice? Why should the baby be given the death penalty as a result of the father’s poor choices?[/quote] The downplay occurs because you only say -blam!- as if its a bad choice. It is so much more than that, I'm I baffled that you do not even budge on this of all things. It's a criminal act of domination that takes a heavy toll on the victim. To be forced to carry out that term would only hurt the mother and child. It becomes a moral question of whether it is right to force a women to give birth to the child of a man who -blam!- her, and then either having to support said child as a constant reminder of that event. Or she puts the child into the foster care system where the child is either lucky enough to be adopted (being an infant the child may be lucky) or forced to move place to place. [quote]I’ve gotten you by other means and of different reactions of yours.[/quote] So in essence, "getting me" is by getting me to reply. Kudos to you, I guess?
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[quote][quote]By not giving equal value to the chance of life for the child. You deem the voice of the mother as superior, not equal to the child’s.[/quote] In instances where either the child was conceived due to -blam!-, or if the mother's life was to be endangered by carrying out the term to the end. I haven't gone beyond that. Please, you're free to try again.[/quote] It seems you have reached your limit. [quote][quote]How is r ape not a poor choice? Why should the baby be given the death penalty as a result of the father’s poor choices?[/quote] The downplay occurs because you only say -blam!- as if its a bad choice.[/quote] How is r ape not a bad choice? [quote]It is so much more than that, I'm I baffled that you do not even budge on this of all things.[/quote] Then you’ve only yourself to blame. [quote]It's a criminal act of domination that takes a heavy toll on the victim. To be forced to carry out that term would only hurt the mother and child.[/quote] Everyone suffers. Why add to the depravity with infanticide? [quote]It becomes a moral question of whether it is right to force a women to give birth to the child of a man who -blam!- her, and then either having to support said child as a constant reminder of that event. [/quote] Who said the child couldn’t be adopted? [quote]Or she puts the child into the foster care system where the child is either lucky enough to be adopted (being an infant the child may be lucky) or forced to move place to place.[/quote] At least the child has a chance. [quote][quote]I’ve gotten you by other means and of different reactions of yours.[/quote] So in essence, "getting me" is by getting me to reply. Kudos to you, I guess?[/quote] Yet another shortsighted conclusion. Ho hum.
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Edited by cRaZyT101: 2/16/2019 6:32:26 AM[quote]It seems you have reached your limit.[/quote] It's like you're trying to prove to something here, but I don't see it. I've explained to you what my examples used were. Do you see something I don't, perhaps? We're all waiting with bated breath. [quote]How is r ape not a bad choice?[/quote] Where did I say it wasn't? [quote]Everyone suffers. Why add to the depravity with infanticide?[/quote] Why add to the depravity of -blam!- and endanger women who may not survive the pregnancy? (Nice whitewash of women suffering to -blam!- with "everyone suffers") [quote]Who said the child couldn’t be adopted?[/quote] I don't know, where did you read that? [quote]At least the child has a chance.[/quote] If they're lucky. Otherwise they'll get to enjoy foster care and move place to place with nowhere to really call home. But everyone suffers, right?
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Yes. Tu quoque: avoiding having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser, answering criticism with criticism.
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A fallacy to match a fallacy.
