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9/30/2010 8:14:40 PM
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* SPOLIER ALERT * Why did Kat not have shields when she got shot?
Shields are supposed to block bullets and they seem to do it effectively, but why did Kat die in one headshot?
[Edited on 09.30.2010 12:34 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Liquid Exia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Liquid Exia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Verroq It's more likely that they just had their shields down. After all, in the books, the Spartans didn't have their shields on at all times; only during combat sutiations.[/quote] Makes sense considering Jun mentions Covenant forces leaving in a hurry just before the blast hits. In light of that Kat probably thought there was no need to put up her shields because the only real threat was the beam. In which case, shielding would have been useless. Did nobody play Halo: CE? In the cryo bay they use EMP to drain the chiefs shields in order to test the recharge. With that said keep in mind that Noble team, with the potiental exception of Jorge, use Mark V [i]Varients.[/i] [/quote] I think Jorge has Mark V as well, he just is using several upgraded pieces from Mark IV, like the grenadier set. Figured out what that tube in the front of the armor is though. It was the test bed of adding shielding to MJONLIR, so that tube is probably part of the shield network.[/quote] Well that explains a bit. Dr. Halsey's "What have you done with my armor." bit had me wondering if he was using the varient or the original. Thanks for the info.[/quote] Yeah, when I read the description about it being the test of shielding, I figured out the tube had to be part of that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] andmcc halo nerd[/quote] Wow.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Liquid Exia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Verroq It's more likely that they just had their shields down. After all, in the books, the Spartans didn't have their shields on at all times; only during combat sutiations.[/quote] Makes sense considering Jun mentions Covenant forces leaving in a hurry just before the blast hits. In light of that Kat probably thought there was no need to put up her shields because the only real threat was the beam. In which case, shielding would have been useless. Did nobody play Halo: CE? In the cryo bay they use EMP to drain the chiefs shields in order to test the recharge. With that said keep in mind that Noble team, with the potiental exception of Jorge, use Mark V [i]Varients.[/i] [/quote] I think Jorge has Mark V as well, he just is using several upgraded pieces from Mark IV, like the grenadier set. Figured out what that tube in the front of the armor is though. It was the test bed of adding shielding to MJONLIR, so that tube is probably part of the shield network.[/quote] Well that explains a bit. Dr. Halsey's "What have you done with my armor." bit had me wondering if he was using the varient or the original. Thanks for the info. [Edited on 09.30.2010 3:25 PM PDT]
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halo nerd
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BishopNoble [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MythicSniper I remarked that death in war is sudden on another thread. It's very true. You're right on target there.[/quote] You did, I was repeating and elaborating. Sorry if it was redundant.[/quote] It's fine, lol.
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Boom Headshot (dont you die from this when sniped????)
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lol i was just joking about this with friends saying "she should of waited for her shields to charge up" but i think it might of been the radiation
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MythicSniper I remarked that death in war is sudden on another thread. It's very true. You're right on target there.[/quote] You did, I was repeating and elaborating. Sorry if it was redundant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BishopNoble [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rubberduck101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RAG3 ON3 The Low Orbit Plasma Bombardments are guided by a magnetic field. When these fly overhead, the magnetism disrupts radar and disables SPARTAN's shields for a short time. Her armor had not yet recovered and she fell to a Needle Rifle shot to the back of the head.[/quote] Why the need for a long thread? The answer was on the 1st page..[/quote] Because that isn't the answer. EMP is not the cause of the shields being down if they were down at all. EMP would have taken out ALL electronics including the elevator, coms, etc. etc. Shields would have recharged in the elevator if they had been knocked out from radiation. If her shields were on, a headshot from the beam rifle would have been a one hit kill as it was in halo 3 with jackles sniping in the trees. Why didn't her shields flare and burn out after/during being shot? Another good question. But the point to this comment is that EMP was not the cause. It was not a nuke, but the covenant glassing that location. The only weapon that kills in one hit is the beam rifle. Her sudden death was just that, sudden. Not everyone will have a heroic ending. Keep in mind that most Spartan III's are sent on suicide missions anyways. In the first book, one of the spartans gets his arm blown off suddenly. Sudden is not a bad thing (per se). It's just a dramatic tool that is used in Dramatic situations. It was supposed to be a shock and out of place. Guess what, it was. Your reaction was expected. If you had gone "huh, kat just died. That makes sense I guess" that wouldn't have been the reaction they were looking for.[/quote] I remarked that death in war is sudden on another thread. It's very true. You're right on target there.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AssCutter Also, what did she get shot with? It looked like she was shot by a beam rifle from H3.[/quote] Just a round from a Needle Rifle. I was under the impression that her lack of tactical awareness was the reasoning for her shields being down when she was shot, not the EMP from the nuke. If it was from the nuke, wouldn't the Phantom she was sniped from be grounded?
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Beam rifle 3>
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Liquid Exia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Verroq It's more likely that they just had their shields down. After all, in the books, the Spartans didn't have their shields on at all times; only during combat sutiations.[/quote] Makes sense considering Jun mentions Covenant forces leaving in a hurry just before the blast hits. In light of that Kat probably thought there was no need to put up her shields because the only real threat was the beam. In which case, shielding would have been useless. Did nobody play Halo: CE? In the cryo bay they use EMP to drain the chiefs shields in order to test the recharge. With that said keep in mind that Noble team, with the potiental exception of Jorge, use Mark V [i]Varients.[/i] [/quote] I think Jorge has Mark V as well, he just is using several upgraded pieces from Mark IV, like the grenadier set. Figured out what that tube in the front of the armor is though. It was the test bed of adding shielding to MJONLIR, so that tube is probably part of the shield network.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rubberduck101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RAG3 ON3 The Low Orbit Plasma Bombardments are guided by a magnetic field. When these fly overhead, the magnetism disrupts radar and disables SPARTAN's shields for a short time. Her armor had not yet recovered and she fell to a Needle Rifle shot to the back of the head.[/quote] Why the need for a long thread? The answer was on the 1st page..[/quote] Because that isn't the answer. EMP is not the cause of the shields being down if they were down at all. EMP would have taken out ALL electronics including the elevator, coms, etc. etc. Shields would have recharged in the elevator if they had been knocked out from radiation. If her shields were on, a headshot from the beam rifle would have been a one hit kill as it was in halo 3 with jackles sniping in the trees. Why didn't her shields flare and burn out after/during being shot? Another good question. But the point to this comment is that EMP was not the cause. It was not a nuke, but the covenant glassing that location. The only weapon that kills in one hit is the beam rifle. Her sudden death was just that, sudden. Not everyone will have a heroic ending. Keep in mind that most Spartan III's are sent on suicide missions anyways. In the first book, one of the spartans gets his arm blown off suddenly. Sudden is not a bad thing (per se). It's just a dramatic tool that is used in Dramatic situations. It was supposed to be a shock and out of place. Guess what, it was. Your reaction was expected. If you had gone "huh, kat just died. That makes sense I guess" that wouldn't have been the reaction they were looking for.
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thats being a bit of a jerk. its simpley a error on his part.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Verroq It's more likely that they just had their shields down. After all, in the books, the Spartans didn't have their shields on at all times; only during combat sutiations.[/quote] Makes sense considering Jun mentions Covenant forces leaving in a hurry just before the blast hits. In light of that Kat probably thought there was no need to put up her shields because the only real threat was the beam. In which case, shielding would have been useless. Did nobody play Halo: CE? In the cryo bay they use EMP to drain the chiefs shields in order to test the recharge. With that said keep in mind that Noble team, with the potiental exception of Jorge, use Mark V [i]Varients.[/i]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JDHarbs19 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Maslab Several points wrong: 1. There was plenty of time for the shields to recharge. 2. A headshot with the beam rifle means death instantly. Just like the human sniper 3. If the EMP had knocked out the MJOLNIR suits electronics, then it would have messed with the gel layer that allows the Spartans to effectively utilize the armor. The computer for the assault rifles would have been out also. My guess is they either rebooted or they're EMP hardened. 4. Spartans don't have to have all their pieces of armor on to have shields. The shield is simply electromagnetically sealed plasma wrapped around the Spartan's body. As long as you have enough generators, which are primarily located on the torso and kneepads, you're okay.[/quote] She was shot with a Needle Rifle, not a Beam Rifle. Needle Rifles are only instant kills if a headshot without shields.[/quote] Again, could have been a cameo. Either way, Kat's shields were NOT online. If they were they would have flared upon impact of the round.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RunNGunTaxiCo Hmm, it makes sense but I never connected the nuclear blast with her shields. Also did the jackal shoot the weakest looking one? [/quote] It was an elite that shot Kat.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Maslab Several points wrong: 1. There was plenty of time for the shields to recharge. 2. A headshot with the beam rifle means death instantly. Just like the human sniper 3. If the EMP had knocked out the MJOLNIR suits electronics, then it would have messed with the gel layer that allows the Spartans to effectively utilize the armor. The computer for the assault rifles would have been out also. My guess is they either rebooted or they're EMP hardened. 4. Spartans don't have to have all their pieces of armor on to have shields. The shield is simply electromagnetically sealed plasma wrapped around the Spartan's body. As long as you have enough generators, which are primarily located on the torso and kneepads, you're okay.[/quote] She was shot with a Needle Rifle, not a Beam Rifle. Needle Rifles are only instant kills if a headshot without shields.
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Another case of giving away story spoilers. Whats the point in putting both 'spoilers' and the spoiler in the same sentence? The correct way would have been: Title: Campaign question regarding Kat **spoilers within** Then, 'Why did Kat not have shields when she got shot?', should have been the body of your post. I've reported you for violating the rules.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Maslab [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SnoopCatXL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MythicSniper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SnoopCatXL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JDHarbs19 Remeber that her helmet was off earlier, and she had just put it back on right before she was shot. Shields only work if armour is covering your entire body. Its kind of like how electricity works: if any part of the circuit is cut off from the rest then electrons can't flow, producing no power. Its the same with armour: her helmet was off breaking the flow of power to the rest of her armour, disabling her shields.[/quote] But still, the ammo counter on the AR's were still active.[/quote] The ammo counter is independent from the HUD and the suit. [/quote] Yeah I realized that after I posted haha.[/quote] Several points wrong: 1. There was plenty of time for the shields to recharge. 2. A headshot with the beam rifle means death instantly. Just like the human sniper 3. If the EMP had knocked out the MJOLNIR suits electronics, then it would have messed with the gel layer that allows the Spartans to effectively utilize the armor. The computer for the assault rifles would have been out also. My guess is they either rebooted or they're EMP hardened. 4. Spartans don't have to have all their pieces of armor on to have shields. The shield is simply electromagnetically sealed plasma wrapped around the Spartan's body. As long as you have enough generators, which are primarily located on the torso and kneepads, you're okay.[/quote] Yeah she would have died regardless if she had shields or not. But why didn't she have shields on?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crimson Rising EMP was not the cause. EMP's PERMANENTLY damage all electronic devices. If it was and EMP then the rest of Noble team's shields (and other devices) wouldn't work later on. Which they did. Thus an EMP never occurred.[/quote] So if we're ruling out EMP/radiation from the glassing and we know the shields would have recharged in time, we have to assume the shooter had a beam rifle (cameo appearance in that case) then.
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The armor, not the shields. So sure, the radiation won't hurt you all that much if you are wearing the armor, but it'll eat away your shields and leave you vulnerable to weapons.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RAG3 ON3 The Low Orbit Plasma Bombardments are guided by a magnetic field. When these fly overhead, the magnetism disrupts radar and disables SPARTAN's shields for a short time. Her armor had not yet recovered and she fell to a Needle Rifle shot to the back of the head.[/quote] Why the need for a long thread? The answer was on the 1st page..
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EMP was not the cause. EMP's PERMANENTLY damage all electronic devices. If it was and EMP then the rest of Noble team's shields (and other devices) wouldn't work later on. Which they did. Thus an EMP never occurred.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SnoopCatXL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MythicSniper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SnoopCatXL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JDHarbs19 Remeber that her helmet was off earlier, and she had just put it back on right before she was shot. Shields only work if armour is covering your entire body. Its kind of like how electricity works: if any part of the circuit is cut off from the rest then electrons can't flow, producing no power. Its the same with armour: her helmet was off breaking the flow of power to the rest of her armour, disabling her shields.[/quote] But still, the ammo counter on the AR's were still active.[/quote] The ammo counter is independent from the HUD and the suit. [/quote] Yeah I realized that after I posted haha.[/quote] Several points wrong: 1. There was plenty of time for the shields to recharge. 2. A headshot with the beam rifle means death instantly. Just like the human sniper 3. If the EMP had knocked out the MJOLNIR suits electronics, then it would have messed with the gel layer that allows the Spartans to effectively utilize the armor. The computer for the assault rifles would have been out also. My guess is they either rebooted or they're EMP hardened. 4. Spartans don't have to have all their pieces of armor on to have shields. The shield is simply electromagnetically sealed plasma wrapped around the Spartan's body. As long as you have enough generators, which are primarily located on the torso and kneepads, you're okay.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NearBenonator Wait, I recall reading the books recently and it said their armor was resistant to radiation AND EMP. I don't think that's it.[/quote] It is, if EMP completely disabled the armor, they would be motionless, blind, and mute. However, that could be by part shielding, part a backup power supply for movement/helm functions. The shield system probably would require a manual(was done in books, by Master Chief before the testing of his armor), and complete reset after a large EMP blast.
