When 'final stand' starts, all players who are alive at the time are engulfed. That is then passed to the ball they pick up, and why we start getting the Greed counter. A 'charged' relic does something like 25 times more damage to the boss than an uncharged one. If every player alive picks up their own ball, a 'missed' shot can be picked up by another player and still do max damage. The engulfment was passed to that relic, so the relic itself is still 'charged'. I would pickup misses all the time when I ran spire after I threw my own initial relic, and the second relic (and one time third relic, lol) did the 'charged' damage. If a player picks up and throws a ball at the boss, then picks up another ball that hasn't been touched by another player yet, they need to pass it to the other player that still has engulfment to do max damage. The first player in that instance can't charge the second ball, since they used their engulfment on the first one they picked up. But the other player still has the engulfment and can still charge that second relic, even though they didn't touch it first. Something to keep in mind if a player isn't close to their relic, but someone else can pick it up off the ground before it expires. Just have them pass it to the player who was going to grab it so it can be charged. If a player dies after the engulfment happens, but before grabbing their relic, they lose the engulfment. The relic is void damage. So if Prism is the modifier in Prestige, it will make a significant difference if void bonus is up at the time of final stand. Also, enemy debuffs (tractor cannon, certain melee abilities) do work with relic damage. Greed stack amount does not matter for relic damage. Player power level does, if they are under 380. I never experimented with having a lower power player 'charge' a relic, then pass it to a higher level player to throw at the boss. There is plenty of time after picking the relic up off the ground to move around and get a good shot at the boss. Players can jump right up next them if they are having trouble hitting him. Generally have everyone damage the boss after they throw their ball, unless they are chasing down a miss.