It isnt titans that suck. It is the player..

I'm also a hunter main, hadn't played my titan in 5 months, then got her up to max 3 weeks ago...for people that say hunter is the easiest class to use, I sure as hell had a much easier time with my titan. The mobility is actually really good, especially when you have a shoulder charge move. Forget OEM, I prefer Insurmountable Skullfort, the thing is so good. K/d was equal to my hunter, despite having very little experience with titan, and felt easier to maintain with less swearing on my part lol. It actually felt easier to use in pvp for me. Point is, there are different classes with different abilities for a reason. Some will use one more effectively than others and won't be as good on the next. To me, Titans have more viable subclass trees than hunters honestly. Titans aren't bad at all, they just require a different kind of playstyle. But people who can't use things effectively will always go to "they aren't effective and are weak" instead of considering their own usage and playstyle. It is what it is, continue on.

Their supers are kinda trash

TL:DR They don't suck. You suck.

After coming back to this post and reading a lot of the responses/replies, I've noticed a trend. Those who only play Quickplay(mostly not even very well mind you) and/or have never reached, let alone been successful in, a high Comp. match, say things along the lines of: - Titans are fine, if not the best - I do better on my Titan than my main(poor anecdotal evidence) - Shoulder Charge OP bro! Skullfort rocks!(not really, but you get the exaggeration) - All Supers are top tier - One-Eyed Mask isn't even good(https://youtu.be/hOb55MaEna0) And then those more towards the opposite end of the skill spectrum, essentially preach the opposite, though it's varied somewhat depending on the platform(PC or console). My final take on this, is that [b][i][u]console[/u][/i][/b] Titans(as a whole), as they are currently, are like Bladedancers in the last game when it comes to how well they do in generic pubs vs. high-level games. Explanation(not a somewhat cohesive rant, unlike my earlier post in this thread) focused entirely on Titans down below. Though be [b]warned[/b], it's a pretty long explanation, and as with anything, contains bias: [spoiler]In pubs(AKA Quickplay), Titans are actually great. Still not the strongest, but a very solid class for pubstomping blueberries who don't understand how to counteract the basicness of their kits. In high-level games though, whether those be in high Comp. or Private Matches/scrims, they don't have much going for them. All their neutral game really amounts to is Suppressor Grenades and an arguably unbalanced Exotic. The jump doesn't really provide anything dynamic for getting around much noticably faster or use mid-engagement(besides the weapon swap glitch, but Warlocks can do that too, and are faster via surfing). As well as very minimal airtime, especially with Catapult, and you lose so much of its "fuel" if you cancel and then reactivate it multiple times within the same jump. It doesn't excel in any spectrum of movement, unlike how a Hunter has quick verticality, or how a Warlock has the horizontal plane, but better airtime as well, leaving it with good, yet slow, vertical game for baiting doorways/corners(even with very low Mobility). The Supers are okay, but are either completely nullified/outdone by other Supers, or are easily teamshottable when people are properly positioned/ready for them. Sentinel is the only real exception, but it's easy to run from, and the Shield Throw inconsistently ranges anywhere from god-tier to garbage. And Shield Bashes have always suffered from terrible inconsistency similar to pre-buff Spectral Blades or even Arcstrider. Hammers are good, sometimes great, but easy to juke, and playing anything other than Sentinel really hurts your team play(unless there's multiple Titans, but outside of potentially Countdown, you're team's already at a disadvantage if that's the case) because other meta roaming Supers are much harder to put down by comparison without a Suppressor or your own Super. We're not going to talk much about Striker. Stomp-ees completely invalidates all its Supers on open(AKA most) maps, and if not easily avoided, lose to every meta roaming/shutdown Super. And the neutral game is arguably as strong as Hammers': not very. Barricade is okay for grabbing Heavy(if it's used) when enemies are further away, and for limiting how opponents approach you. Same goes for it's usage on Control points or Countdown bomb sites. But it's extremely easy to play against via maneuvering around/above it, or even outright destroying it with Special ammo or abilities. If Barricade's popped too closed at an attempt to disengage, you will be pushed and finished off either mid-animation or right after it's been deployed, whether that be by a shotgun, melee, or even primary depending on the terrain. Onto the Shoulder Charge variants, Shoulder Charge(along with most melees that require player-player contact) as a kill ability is almost nonexistant against good players with Shotguns, and especially since most play takes place at mid-range. It is only used for movement, and even then, it's easy to play against, and is only used on Hammers, because the other subclass trees are the weakest versions of those subclasses(arguments could be made for Striker/Sentinel, but having two average grenades and a bottom-tier roaming, or one great grenade and a potentially solid Super, but no health regen with its inconsistent hit reg., are not worth it). Strangely enough, One-Eyed Mask takes some of what's above and throws it out the window, allowing the riskier/weaker subclass options(i.e. Bottom Sentinel, Thundercrash) to suddenly rise to top-tier status. One reason being because it provides not just health regen, but literally instantanteous and full regen. Your average joe may not be able to make very effective use of it, but a good player, even against others more or less on the same level, can make it look absolutely broken. And not in the, "A good player can make anything look broken," way. I mean it in the truest sense I can muster. That's why it's used so much, across all platforms, and is the only time you'll probably see a Titan used in high Comp. on console, aside from the stubborn mains. Regardless of how you feel about Mask, its strength cannot be denied.[/spoiler] To those who actually read all of that, thank you, and have a good day(or goodnight depending on timezone).

All I want a buff for is My titan bubble :(

I was inspired to hop back on my Titan after recently watching a PC Tournament Finals series(not a very serious one though to my knowledge) since I've been neglecting it for a bit, and it just doesn't compare at all. Titans are the worst class on console imo unless you play passively, and even then they're still average at best. The day Mask gets nerfed, or Bungie ever implements any rules from scrims/tournies(i.e. No Exotic armor) in Comp., Titans will be used even less in high level games on console except by stubborn mains. All they have going for them is Suppressor grenades. That and/or Mask are the only practical reasons to bring one. Bubble's okay, but it's only usable when no one else has a Super, and it's only truly impactful in Countdown. More down below, but it gets a bit too ranty, isn't focused on Titans exclusively, and creates a text wall if not put in a Spoiler. [spoiler]Even Warlocks are barely used outside of Nova Warp(which is getting toned down in the near future). High Comp. is literally a terrible rendition of "Attack of the Clones". There is not a shred of diversity to be found unless it's something blatantly overpowered(i.e. Wavesplitter). This sequel has been a Hunter meta for its entire lifespan on console, and it's honestly tiring to see the same thing over and over. I barely even play my Hunter anymore because I've gotten bored of it, and I mained it for the entirety of the previous game. I spent the majority of Taken King and Rise of Iron maining Classic FFA as a Bladedancer(with no RNG "Frontstab") because it was regarded as the weakest, to now only playing my Hunter for Raids and certain PvE farms. It's just not exciting anymore. In this game, you don't have to be insanely aware of your spacing in CQC to avoid a "cross map" Warlock melee, especially getting quickly double meleed by one if you don't one-shot them with your Shotgun as they'd get an overshield or health just for slapping you. No having to time your jump well enough to avoid getting aped at lightspeed by a Titan skating at you or killing them before they can get close enough(especially when Jug was a thing). Aside from the rare primary duels and teamshots, all high Comp. amounts to for CQC from my perspective is having to look up in the sky very quickly because that Hunter just jumped to orbit with Stompe-ees, and unless you're one yourself, you're literally a free kill if you don't look up/predict it in time, because otherwise you're now incapable of shooting at them while they reign down bullets on your skull. Since the other classes can't jump that high, that suddenly, console's field of view is extremely narrow, and what I'll call the "sensitvity spectrum" is completely different between thumbsticks and MnK. Doing that doesn't feel like an outplay to me, it feels just as bs as a lot of the things the other classes could do in the last game, that they just can't anymore. I don't even want to get into the new Supers and Exotics that buff those Supers. Maybe my problem is really with Exotics, as I truly and utterly hate Stomp-ees in a similar way as I did Bones, and even more than either, Wormhusk in its heyday, as well as OEM as it is. Sorry for the rant, but I just kept going and it turned into this.[/spoiler]

Titans are, by far, the best in pvp to date. If you disagree... then do some research on how to put a build together. The Titan is the one class that can go into pvp, finish on top of the leaderboard.. and never fire a weapon.... if done right. Perks of being a Titan: Regen health Over-shields One hit melee Some sort of shoulder charge/shield bash Suppression grenades that, if targets are hit. They are better than the hunters tether outside of the lucky chance you can tether a group and kill them. Area of effect grenades that last way too long and can cut off paths. Tracking hammers that explode and can clear a room. Boots that can make you immune and deflect supers. Can move faster than a hunter now unless hunter has max mobility. Etc Etc Obviously skill comes into play and it fully depends on the player... But it offers more options that can be considered a third weapon and this then allows for a more versatile loadout due to choices. I hope other classes can get this way and soon.

Literally every titan super, (especially sentinel) is extremely powerful. All their supers possess multiple abilities. Sentinel has shield bashing, shield throwing, shield blocking all in one? This combined by one eyed mask makes titan supers unchallenged unless combated by another super. Titans are the most powerful class in crucible right now.

Huh? Because you don`t like something it deserves a buff?

You can't titan. Titans are great

You haven't played a Titan long enough to actually learn to effectively utilize their abilities which is fine, so I think it's a little unfair to expect definitive results on what their potential amounts to. Kind of like how I can't expect to get a we ran out of medals on middle tree arcstaff playing like I usually do on a Titan. Different classes tend to reflect different play styles. The one eyed mask situation exists because it relies on merely taking damage and killing your opponent which every class is tasked to do regardless of what exotic they have equipped. The barricade is by far the funniest ability to kill someone. Sincerely, a Titan main.

I'm a Titan main since D1, dabbled in Hunter and Warlock. Recently I've drank the cooler on that greener grass and started maining my Hunter. Here is what I have noticed, as an average on a good day crucible player: It all comes down to mobility and the fact that resilience and recovery pretty much mean -blam!- all in crucible. Imagine if Hunters were fastest and Titan's had the most resilience and Warlocks had the best recovery (yeah, then locks would be gimp by comparison, but) you get the idea. Hunters have double/triple jump, titans move like a brick with shit air control = Easy target (I've always loved killing titans, even as one); dodge, while it might not negate damage the way you'd think it would (i.e. getting out of the way), being able to juke around has significant advantages...compared to say, Barricade or Rifts where you need to be stationary....oh and reloading on dodge? Yes please. OHK supers, fast throwing projectiles. Thin frame with the right shaders (You're all using dark camo like shaders in cruci right?)....the class is the 'normal' mode for the majority of players from other FPS games, and that just comes down to jumping...there is zero advantage to a titan or lock jump, it's just different to be so. OEMask is tits tho, very op. Shoulder charge and Skullfort, very op (I can usually place podium in QP just using that). Hit detection on shields maybe off but that tracking is on point. Barricades, like you mentioned, oh no, Imma run through it...bzzt oh still alive but you ate my shotgun...oh look a rift! OHNO, no damage and hell not even a SNARE. Useless as a deterrent

TITAN MAIN HERE PAL, U SUCK U DONT KNOW TO GEAR A TITAN FOR PVP THEN U MOAN? Crucible = mobility gear Use mobility gear on your titan Enjoy easy wins

6 man team of one eyed mask titans with NF and dust rock macro skating on PC nuff said

nothing about titans ISNT op

You're just wrong, titans are ridiculous with slide shotgunning and shoulder charges. Their only problem is disengagement. They probably have the best jump in the game for being in someones face and 2 of their supers are literaly 2 in 1 supers its insane

We get one worthwhile piece of exotic armor and BAM! Nerfed! Maybe reduce tracking and reduce energy return, but anything beyond that it may as well be legendary. Listen folks, you have to kill the person that just damaged you for it to work, so, to counter it.., win the gunfight? Just a thought.