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High FPS - Stuttering - Help yourself, as Bungie does not - Need your feedback

I can play 100% smooth after following the steps

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Gameplay is way smoother, but not perfect

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Method didn't work at all.

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[b]EDIT - 19.01.19:[/b] Very sadly - the stuttering over time came back for me. The configuration I found out, may only help users, who don't have the same "memory leak" - problem, as many of us have. As you can see in the poll above (status 19.01.19 - 18:36 CET): 4 people said, the method helped them. But 5 said, that the method did not work AT ALL - same for me myself..... I guess I was too fast and full of euphoria, as I may have pushed the games general performance, but didn't see, that the "in-explainable" stuttering with an increase over time did NOT vanish.... [b]At least I found out, that installing a 60hz-Monitor does NOT solve the "memory-leak"-issue ! ;)[/b] So really: Sorry to all who tried the steps and did not get rid of the famous memory-leak-stuttering.... ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi to all of you suffering from the stuttering-issue..... I did troubleshooting the last 10 days (for I had my holidays...) [u]Short version: [/u] If it is not Bungies bad game engine or their servers, the stuttering even on high-end hardware could be related to the GPU clocking down and up, causing different FPS-values interacting defective with a specific monitor and it's specific repetition frequency, which the Destiny 2 Engine cannot handle in Public Areas. [u]Now before I tell you what happened while I was troubleshooting today, my current System Specs:[/u] --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Display 1:Samsung C27F398F - 60 Hz - VA-Panel - 4 ms reaction time - Full HD - 27 inches Display 2: MSI Optix MAG241CR - 144 Hz - VA-Panel - 1 ms reaction time - Full HD - 24 Inches OS: Windows 10 64 Bit - most recent updates installed. Mainboard: ASRock Z77 Performance - Socket 1155 Processor: i7-2700k 3.5 Ghz (Sandy Bridge) - OC to 4.7 Ghz [b]GPU 1: nVIDIA GTX 1060 OC KFA2[/b] [b]GPU 2: Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 590 Nitro+ Special Edition (8 GB DDR5-RAM) [/b] GPU Drivers: nVIDIA - Geforce 417.71 Drivers - 15.01.2019 (most recent) AMD - Adrenalin Drivers - 19.1.1. - 10.01.2019 (most recent) RAM: Corsair Vengeance CL9, @ 1600 Mhz (PC 2800) - 4 x 4 GB = 16 GB of RAM. SSD HDDs... -------------------------------- -------------------------------- So let's start...... Like many of you I was troubleshooting the last days, for I wanted my Destiny 2 to be immersive not just in Strikes and Raids - but also when fighting in Public Events or just roaming around doing patrols / farming. Especially HELL is Dreaming City and Tangled Shore, then comes ETC. Immense Stuttering after 20 - 40 minutes - beginning form about minute 5 in game.... As I did everything here, https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTechSupport/comments/8xahza/destiny_2_troubleshooting_guides_framerate/e21w96b/ and did a lot of other things, users (or Bungie...) mentioned in forums, I gave up and today tried the last thing: Installed my old 60-Hz - Samsung C27F398F - 4 ms reaction Time with Freesync - in order to check, if this would really do the trick, like so many users said - 60 Hz-Monitors would not cause the stuttering after time - But this seemed to be wrong....at least as the together with my former used nVIDIA GTX 1060 OC KFA2........ [u]The stuttering occurred, while in Destiny 2 settings were on:[/u] V-Sync On - 60 FPS - FPS Cap 60 FPS (Geforce GTX 1060 with 60-Hz-Monitor) After a bit of research i found out the following important two steps to follow, when using a 60 Hz-Monitor together with a nVIDIA-card: 1.) Disable V-Sync in the Destiny 2 - Menu - but ACTIVATE it in the nVIDIA Control-Panel (best option there maybe "fastest - or - adaptive" 2.) Do NOT use the FPS-Limiter in Destiny 2 - put it to OFF. => But USE FPS Limit of 58 with the software "nVidia-Inspector" (download at 3dguru). Because it seems as if the internal Destiny 2 V-Sync-Option as well as the frame limiter don't work out in the same way with every type of monitor.... (my theory here) THAT helped a BIT for me...but only a bit... Since I don't own a G-Sync-Display, I couldn't test it with additionally G-Sync active. I didn't manage to get the "smoothness", the game should offer for it's price. So I changed the GPU - to the Radeon RX 590 Nitro+ on recent drivers. Did the same things - this time I only used the Frame Limiter in Adrenalin Software - put it to 58 again. V-Sync in game OFF V-Sync in GPU-Software ENABLED So this time I could also enable Freesync, using an AMD-GPU. And it ran quiet smooth - But as ever, stuttering still there and still increasing over time. So next step was I installed my MSI Optix 144 HZ Display again. Did exactly the same things. Ingame-Frame-Limiter and In-Game V-Sync Off, but V-Sync in Adrenalin on, Adrenalin Frame Limiter to 60. (although my hardware can easily do more than 100 FPS in most areas....) I don't want to tear down my FPS, having good hardware, like most of you, too. So like I read in some threads on forums, when using a 144hz-Monitor frame-capping should always be at exactly the half of the monitors-refresh rate, when V-Sync is on - or the values like shown in the Destiny 2 - Menu: 144 FPS. [b]72 FPS[/b] 48 FPS So I put the frame limiter in the AMD Software (important: NOT in Destiny 2 Menu!)on 72 FPS and although it was smoother. Still stuttering issue..... So if suddenly a lot of players appear or a public event is starting, there are always stutters. Especially when the "name-plates" get in sight ! That's the strange thing ! Bungie! [u]So summed up:[/u] [b]Destiny 2 cannot [/b]handle high framerates without causing over time (5-60 minutes) increasing and never ending stuttering. Changing V-Sync IN or out of the game or limiting frames in or out of the game does NOT help for me. Higher framerates seem to either break Bungies engine,leading to the always so called "memory-leak" over time, or their servers are to blame! - Stutter comes with multiple players in public areas / events and is worst when "name-plates" appear on the screen!. Until the game gets UNPLAYABLE, until you restart - and everything begins from the start. So if you wanna play Destiny 2 for 4 hours, you have to restart the game at least 4 times. This just can't be..... Would appreciate if you left some feedback and tell me, whether you have the same stuttering issue and if changing frame limiters or V-Sync options helps YOU.

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  • I just switched over from Xbox to PC at shadowkeep! I was very excited but I am very disappointed and depressed that I spend all that money to play I game I love to play so much! However, how many times will I / we let bungie hurt there fan base and die hard fans before we switch! I always defend this game to all my friends that left destiny or play other games but it might be time to bail! I can handle the terrible weapon balancing and the awful meta but now it is literally impossible to play because of the stutter and menu lag! Seriously bungie this is me and the community begging you to get this game working and if not you are just creating a drain and all of your player base is just flowing out into other games! As for the other players that are experiencing this as well thank you so much for at least trying to trouble shoot and helping other players out! I know for certain I have been so stressed teouble shooting and such but can really do something that’s on bungies end of the spectrum

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  • Edited by spiritblast: 2/7/2019 1:59:46 AM
    After some break i launched destiny 2 and was surprised that game is constantly stuttering like after release at 2017. I tried in-game settings and nothing helped, so i tried your fix and now at least i don't see any noticable stutter, maybe game isn't 100% smooth but now it much smoother. I don't know about long time playing, maybe after ~1 hour stutters will be there, i just played ~20 minutes with your fix.

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    • Yeah, I've been trying hard to figure out what the problem is. I have a GTX 980 / i7 3770k and the game runs -perfect- for the most part. The only issue is that after 20-minutes or so (especially on Mars), the game develops a microstutter which doesn't go away until I restart the game. I get like a consistent 60-80 fps, but when it starts stuttering it becomes really erratic. Its evident everywhere too, like scrolling on the map will have slight stuttering. Its really bizarre. This is the only game I've experienced this type of issue. Later tonight, I'm going to create some logs by standing in the tower for 30min and standing on Mars for 30min to see if theres a difference.

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    • Hi, I appreciate the work you put into this. However, gimping modern hardware in an attempt to mask a software problem (of an also modern game), can never be an acceptable solution. This game was advertised featuring an unlocked frame rate, that offers a superior experience on PC over consoles. The in-game settings also support the frame rate features as such. There can be no doubt that this is an implemented feature by the game developer. Bungie should not be let off the hook for this. They need to fix the Public Patrol area frame rate pacing problem in their game. It has been going on long enough already (over a year). They should deliver a properly functioning product. People paid good money for their game after all.

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    • Edited by CJ WILKINS: 1/18/2019 11:24:09 AM
      Great post and look into this problem. Have not tried this yet and might not be able to for a while, but there's one thing to note: A big downside to using external framerate limiters as opposed to in-game settings is that they introduce input lag (more info in link about this): https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/11/ So whatever you choose to do there's still going to be a negative impact on the game's performance unfortunately. Ideally Bungie finds a way to fix it so we get high framerates, no stuttering, and minimal input lag... but I'm not sure it will happen. Might be paranoia, but I'm also scared about running any external software (yes, even legit stuff like AMD/Nvidia software and Rivatuner) to do anything in Destiny 2 because of all the false positive bans that show up in this forum.

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    • Fantastic work! In my experience, enabling Fast Sync along with VRR was the only way to get this working smoothly. This is with in game V-Sync and frame limiter both disabled. Not sure about higher frame rates, I'm only going for 60Hz at 4k.

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