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Edited by Spawn: 1/15/2019 1:20:16 PM
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This Izanami Quest (and entire DLC) is Screwing Players Over Left and Right

This DLC has been nothing but grief to me and I'm sure many share the same sentiment. Please leave your CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on the matter (related to the topic of course), I'd love to hear about how everyone else is doing. I opened all the forges on all 3 characters and still no Le Monarch. Literally everyone has this bow (in my clan I mean). I even watched my husband get it twice. Thats not my main gripe though, getting to that next. Then the 4th key for the mystery box was accidentally received on my secondary character (my Titan) when I did the mystery box on my main (Warlock). Bungie has admitted that there was an issue with not being able to pick up the 4th key on multiple characters, but no hot fix in sight. So I went on my Titan and did all the forges AGAIN and grabbed the box and all the keys AGAIN. I was losing all hope because, despite all the work I've put in, a rare bounty has NEVER dropped for me. Not once. I do everything forge related on all 3 every week and zero rare bounties ever. Then finally, a glimmer of hope! I FINALLY get my FIRST rare bounty (just yeaterday!) and its on the right character!!!! I go look to see what it is, annnnnd its the one that requires you to do a weekly bounty. Now I'm locked out of getting the sniper until next Throne. (I ended up doing the Throne twice this week to help out, but alas). Needless to say, I was half crushed and half not surprised. This DLC has been screwing me over left and right, and then getting that bounty yesterday really made that figurative pit I'm stuck in even deeper. BUNGIE: THIS. IS. TOTAL. CRAP. Why couldn't you just FLIP THE STEPS AROUND and made the Throne come BEFORE the Rare Bounty? Anybody could have still completed the Throne this week even if they didn't have a bounty. That is just deliberately evil on Bungies part, intentionally screwing people over in an attempt to drag out this DLC full of virtually no new content. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Throne and do it everytime it comes back around, but the Throne has NOTHING to do with this DLC whatsoever. Bungie just used it for filler. If I didn't love the story so much I would quit. Who else is in the same boat with me? Or am I just that unlucky. EDIT: This is NOT a post to complain about luck and RNG, this is a post to address how poorly this exotic quest was designed. Was it deliberate? Feels like it. Please leave CONSTRUCTIVE feedback regarding the quest and how you feel about its design. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in.  [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0] See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]
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  • I honestly gave up when I saw that stupid jumping puzzle to unlock the Izanami forge. If I ever choose to complete it; then that will be it. Never gonna go back to it again

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  • Nobody else will care as long as they were able to do it.

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  • Quest was easy. Completed it in two days.

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    • Edited by OdinTheRed78: 1/15/2019 2:44:14 PM
      I have read a lot of people griping about the rare bounties. I have received one every week by handing in the black armory daily bounties. What works for me is to save them up for a few days. I usually hand in 11-13 at one time and have gotten a rare bounty every time. Hope it works for you if you try it. Cheers

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      • so update - I am screwed - I managed to get the only rare bounty that I can not complete. Doing forges, got a weapon frame, got other small frames, forged them all at last forge (was trying to get Jotunn) - went to first forge to complete the BA bounties picked up - when turning in got my rare (yeah) - look at bounty complete one of the two new raid (neither of which I have done) wearing 4 pieces of gear - I have 1 and if lucky 2 pieces of gear. As I Said - Screwed.

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        • Do you know how to do the content you've been complaining about? Do you know what it takes to get the exotics? Regarding rare bounties from Ada......collect and complete a bunch (like all 7 dailies for the weekly bounty) and then turn them all in at once, not one at a time as they are finished. You'll have a pretty high chance of getting a rare bounty. I too was disappointed in the Izanagi sniper quest only getting dropped to the first guardian who visits Ada. I had the mystery box on my Titan, but no keys (my Warlock was the one with the box and 3 keys done). So I had to run the 3 forges, kill the shield-bots, and collect the keys before progressing with the key mold. It took an hour with a friend. If you know where the bots spawn it is possible to solo them. Regarding the exotics, you only have 6 chances per week assuming you've unlocked all forges on all guardians. You have to be forging a powerful weapon frame to have a chance to get one. Those are the frames you purchase with the ballistic logs. Those are the rewards for completing the weekly Ada bounties. You get 2 per week per guardian. After purchasing the frame you need to complete the steps to power it up before going to the forge. You can only get Jotuun from Bergusia I believe, but Le Monarch will drop from any (maybe?). I have had it drop from both Gofannon and Volundr. I read somewhere that the drop rate for these 2 exotics is pretty high, like a 20% chance. Regarding the quest and the Izanagi sniper - ok. so you didn't get it last week - you've got 2 weeks of grinding before you can try it again. It's a sniper, it's good, it's kinetic, you won't be maining it much. It will probably collect dust in the vault. Finish up your rare bounty and don't turn it in. Grind out your ballistic logs and try to get your forge exotics. When shattered throne appears next work on your Izanagi sniper quest. Not everyone was able to complete the quest last week, you are not alone.

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        • Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 1/17/2019 1:12:12 PM
          It’s unfortunately just tedious “fetch quest” or RNG stuff to unlock a forge or complete a quest step. Other than the forges themselves, there is nothing new and the quests to get them don’t take players anywhere new either. I have already been reduced to simply forging two powerful weapon frames a week with each character and that’s it. There’s nothing else to do with all 3 characters at 650 and I’m not grinding the same old activities for exotics.

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        • so update - I am screwed - I managed to get the only rare bounty that I can not complete. Doing forges, got a weapon frame, got other small frames, forged them all at last forge (was trying to get Jotunn) - went to first forge to complete the BA bounties picked up - when turning in got my rare (yeah) - look at bounty complete one of the two new raid (neither of which I have done) wearing 4 pieces of gear - I have 1 and if lucky 2 pieces of gear. As I Said - Screwed.

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        • I have only opened 2 forges completely izanami forge just needs to be ignited. I have zero desire nothing about the forge has been engaging. What few rewards I have received from doing the first 2 forges I have broken down because of the garbage rolls and because of how mundane these forge activities are I have zero desire to even participate. The previous exoctic weapon quest lines have been so uninviting and the weapons so under whelming chasing the bow, the sniper rifle and the fusion rifle I have absolutely zero desire. The lack of creativity with these quest steps (go punch 75 things, go shoot 25 something and collect this, check back with Ada every other quest step) I honestly feel like bungie gave us a bag of m&m's and told us to go put them in alphabetical order. With what little content they gave us and this absolutely stupid grind the forsaken dlc was I have no desire to really do much on here, the last few weeks basically raid and nightfall. Thats it.

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          • At reset - I turned in all the bounties I had and picked up all the new BA bounties. Upon completing them was issued a rare bounty - completed it, turned it in. (I have 3 of 6 for the record). THEN the forge release happens and no one is able to get past the puzzle. So I come back the next day and pick up the key on my warlock (which by the way just happens to be the character I was running for the last few days) and then come to find out that I need a rare bounty. Well, I know I'm not going to get one since I just got and competed one the day before. Go over to my main Titan and yup sure enough, can't get a key over there. So I wait and will do BA bounties on the warlock only in hopes that in 3 weeks I will be able to get a rare to drop and be able to move forward on this quest. Sometimes that is just how it is.

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          • What're you talking about? The destiny community loves all this rng bullshit. This damn forum has its head so far up its ass its insane

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          • Anthem and division will finally kill this game, not too long now

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            • I do get you frustration. Thankfully i have been able to get both on my fist or second try. But i have done 27 or 28 last wish 19 sherpas. No 1000 voices. Of the 19 sherpas 5 have gotten it on there first attempt. One girl i have been playing with not only got it her first run but also got it three more times i have run wiith her. I feel your pain. Now i just try to run it three times to have fun. If i get it great. If not at least i was having a good time. Thats what helps me. Good luck and hope you get it.

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              • If, big if here for a lot of people, the RNG was on your side, then the quest steps weren't that bad. I kinda enjoyed the quest line because I only suffered a one day delay because of the rare bounty, and I got a bounty I could complete in one sitting. My biggest disappointment is with the gun it's self. It's junk for an exotic. So many more useful, more rewarding, more enjoyable exotics to use.

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              • [quote]I'd love to hear about how everyone else is doing. [/quote]k. - I've done all forge unlock quests on all 3 charecters - I certainly felt a disconnect when they made that insane puzzle. - Honestly I would have been completely fine to wait for any human on this earth to crack the code. - Though they should not have [u]highlighted[/u] streamers, I feel we lost somthing special when they caved in. - That moment when they did, it physically hit my soul, so to speak.

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              • Finally got a rare bounty.... yesterday evening of course.....*sigh*

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              • Well... Where I begin? I got the bountry, but I don't have items for four slots. I have a crapload of Black Armoury items, but they are like Mass Effect 3 endings - only for three slots. So I can't complete this quest. I have five kindle orchids, but they won't count. Another thing I do not understand, and honestly - despise - is the limitation on the amount of things we carry. Be that modulus reports or ballistic reports, or something else, not related to Black Armoury. Why impose absolutely artificial limit on one things and no limit on others is very strange and feels forced. However, while limiting is bad enough, but taking away items every weekly resets is even worse. What if I don't have gun types I like, why can't I have them transferred into next week? I'm still going to play this game, only elsewhere. You won't lose my attention. Yet actions like these actually push me away from game. What will happen if I spend fixed amount of time doing particular activities in weeks 1, 2, and 5, and get six rewards for them which I spend in week 6 that will have frames I need? How it's different from me spending same amount of time, only in weeks 6, 12, and 18, because it will be them with needed frames and, without ability to accumulate frames early, I am forced to "smear" my attention in thin layer. But what I have desire to play Black Armoury this week and not the next? Or previous? I paid for this, I want to play my way. It's not Dawning after all. So, what will happen? Someone's glutes will dry out and fall off? For me these forced, imposed, and totally artificial limitations are the worst (or best, depending on your point of view) "repellents" for this activity. Do I like forges? Well, they may be fun. But not when surrounded with so many unneeded steps. Want us to visit Ada more frequently? Give here more interesting lines. CDPR did that for Triss, why can't you? If we want farm, let us farm. At our pace, at our tempo, at our time. We PAID for that. Not for mere "access" for these forges. Otherwise it is like a cafe where you first have to pay for entrance, and then for courses. In addition to usual lines, menu rotation, and so on. As for arbitrary RNG comment - given how similar (or identical) those "random" items I got from Ada, I sincerely thought it is weekly based. But seeing other guardians with similar equipment, yet with different perks, or different mods bought from Ada, I realize it is indeed, totally random. Only in my case - not so random. Regarding Throne/Raid requirement I recall my post about Ace of Space mandatory PvP step. All this frustration could be reversed via mere option that allow us more choices. In case of Ace of Spades - swap 25 PvP headshot kills with 250 PvE. In case of this bounty - swap 4 items Throne for, I don't know, 25 strikes with three items. Yes, it may take more time, but it wouldn't be time-gated. As I have no idea whether I'll get my armour piece for next bounty IF I get that. Give us options. We are all different, we may like particular play-style, and dislike another, we want to play this game, only with less limitations. Don't create anecdotal Soviet deficit with stamp lines to get more stamps. Yes, I know Elvis' Moody Blue, but I also know that gaming is fun, waiting is not. Don't forget, we invest not only money into this, but our time, and it is far more precious currency even for developer/publisher.

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              • Edited by Scorpius XX1: 1/16/2019 5:42:58 AM
                Reading some of the comments below is actually quite revealing and sad. Claiming a '' Grind '' and this is loot based shooter status quo as a defense for poor game design, is not a defense for poor game design. Players pay good money for new content, not old content. Attempting to tie in prior game assets to something recently paid for and expected to be new by players, and actually playable, in and attempt to '' Give players the grind they asked for.'' Is disingenuous and insulting to those players. They have done this tired act before, many times. And it should be called out now for what it is, as it was then. A rip off, and disrespectful to the players monetary and time based investments. They can't be allowed to hide behind '' Grind.'' and '' Mystery.'', and '' Surprises.'', in a clever attempt to confuse the fact that there is no content here worth that time or money investment. And while some of this may be subjective of course, when one looks at this objectively, one sees quite clearly whats going on. When it comes to them vs the player, time is on their side, not ours. They can meet out '' Content'' over weeks, even months, simply because that's the '' Nature of the game.'' the only problem with that is, the return on investments can never be truly seen or felt by the player, because it's not Bungie, it's bad luck. A convienient scapegoat. Too many aspects of this title rely on rng, players aren't spending their money on taking chances, they are spending their money to play a game, and a game is exactly what we should be getting. Not the hope of one.

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              • I didn't buy the pass at start But the i got tired of people killing me with blast furnace in crucible so I said fucck it lets buy it and have some fun INSTANT REGRET

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              • So here was my take on the situation: 1. Unlocking the forges should be account wide instead of per character. - Just like the Corrupted Eggs were account wide, so should have been the absurdly long and grindy quest for the forges. (I’m looking specifically at you Izanami!) 2. Exotics linked to the forges shouldn’t be locked to a power frame only. - I’m fine with them being an RNG drop, but not specifically for the 2 power ones per character per week. You gave us back the grind, so let us grind. If you want to grind 100 bow frames in a week and each one have the chance to drop an exotic as well, so be it. People don’t stop playing because they get the thing they were after. They keep playing after getting it to have fun with it and enjoy the new toy. Let it have the highest chance to drop from the power frames, and a lesser one for the follow up frames. (This really should apply to raid exotics that are behind RNG as well. No quest? Fine, let us truest grind.) 3. Quests themed for any special area should revolve around that area. Adding Shattered Throne to the Izanagi’s Burden quest was a horrible decision due to the 3 week cycle. This also goes for the rare bounty that is tied to the Throne. (And come on, by now the Throne should be accessible all the time.) 4. Niobe Labs disaster. I like the fact that Bungie tried something new to try to get the entire community working together to unlock something. Cool idea, but poorly executed. It ended up being thousands of people HELPING a handful of popular streamers get the job done. And just like the “world’s first” rewards/titles/etc, that reward goes to the popular streamers and totally disregards the THOUSANDS OF VIEWERS THAT ASSISTED THEM ALONG THE WAY!!! I get it, streamers help promote the game, and that’s fine. But give credit AND rewards to the unsung heroes as well. If you want an activity that engages the entire community, reward the entire community. To finish up, I would like to say I have loved the forges and enjoyed the Black Armory. Thank you Bungie for that. The points above are just suggestions for a better experience on future updates.

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                • Monarch and Jotunn being tied to only powerful frames is bullshit. basically do 6 frames a week and move on, thats not a great strategy.

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                • got mine!! grind more

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                  • Evil is a pretty strong word to brand a company with over a quest in a digital world. And the whole dlc is screwing players over left and right.... Ummmm how? Virtually no content? Ummm a raid isn't content? Ok. I agree the quest is bad, but you blow things way out of proportion. So no, I disagree.

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                    • Edited by TheArtist: 1/15/2019 12:51:41 PM
                      1. Bad luck is part of every loot based game. 2. Part of developing a healthy relationship with a loot-based game and their RNG loot systems, is understanding that you cannot **brute force** the game into giving you an item you want. All "grinding" does is keep giving you an additional pull at the RNG slot-machine. But its the Gambler's Fallacy in effect, if you believe that this will eventually force the game to give the item to you. Keep playing. It will come when it comes....IF it comes. Until then you have an interesting story to tell. There is no point in making yourself unhappy about it. 3. The Black Armory key situation is a known bug, and one can safely assume that Bungie is working on a fix. 4. The only thing that Bungie has done that is "out-of-bounds" was the locking of the 4th Forge behind the Niobe Lab puzzle, and the need for the rare bounty completion as part of the Izanagi's Burden quest. RNG loot is pretty standard. RNG progression and RNG triumphs are not...and are "not-okay". But I think Bungie has gotten enough negative feedback on this, that they'll stop doing this.

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                      • Working as intended. We ARE listening and youre right fusions are too powerful, consider them nerfed via next patch. See ya starside guardians

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                        • I think many are in the same boat as you. One of my friends internet crapped out last night during the Throne run, now he has to wait 3 weeks too. It'll go quick an before you know it, it will be yours. Stay sharp, Wook

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