I’ve been experiencing pretty much the same problem with Last Wish. I’ve never done LW before and wanted to give it a go but I can never get a group going. I understand if people don’t want to take the time to explain every detail to a newbie so I watched Datto’s guides for every encounter of the raid and feel like I’ve got it memorized for the most part with some details that might need to be further explained by a veteran when it comes to Riven. I also get it when people say “Don’t like a strangers group requirements, then make your own group.” So I do, and no one joins it. I always explain in my recruitment post that I’ve never done the raid before. That way anyone who might be inclined to join knows what they are getting into but also so anybody else who’s never done it might feel like joining. Even still no one joins. It really feels like if you don’t hop into the raid in the first two weeks it’s out then you may as well not even bother because no one will wanna give you a chance.

For me, i gave up on the fact that the “new” raids require so much time and trying to rely on 6 players who more often than not, do not know each other, need to work together and get it done. Couple this with elitism this game now exudes, its just not worth it. Crota, VoG, TTK all were a blast. Was some of the best times running through these. The aforementioned still applied but was much more manageable. D2 lost all and i mean all of its fun. D1 wasnt perfect but was fun. Bungie lost destinys identity and we will never know as to why. I think bungie lost all their talent and the minds behind destiny and what we are left with is people simply trying to bandaid open gaping wounds. Its not working.

I loved the raids in D1, especially ‘King’s Fall’ whereas for D2, I’ve very rarely raided. They just do not appeal to me at all. I think the only one I didn’t mind was ‘Eater of Worlds’, but other than that, sod the raids.

Same spot me and a friend can't get a team to do last phase in the scourge of the past. Not a team. It sucks no one is willing to teach. Been trying seeking. Been in over an hour and nothing 😕

Raid noob here. I've only raided a handful of times in D1 and twice in D2; the only reason I did Leviathan was to get my platinum trophy. The only likely reason I'll eventually do last wish is for the lore. I might try and go for the Blacksmith title, which would mean raiding a bunch, so that's a hard maybe. My issues with raiding as always been the toxic elitism I've found. I've rarely found people who aren't jerks about my lack of experience or missing "key" equipment; I recall being booted from doing Crota's End because I didn't have gjallarhorn, even though we were near the final boss. Honestly, it has gotten to the point where I can't muster any interest in doing a raid, even if the raid has something I want or need-- be it lore entries, a weapon, etc. Raiding just feels like more trouble than it's worth, which is a shame because I want to like raiding.

I’ve yet to kicked from a raid layer, last wish or scourge. I must be doing something right

Yeah, it’s just too complicated and “hard” for generally solo players to get a raid going. I’ve put thousands of hours into D1 and 2 and barely raided a handful of times. Most people, including myself, REALLY don’t like slowing people down, and don’t want to get yelled at or kicked by some 12 (or 40) year old on a temper tantrum ya know? The reality is you WILL make mistakes your first time through because the raids are generally pretty tough, in a good way. I’m slowly trying to build a team of six that is cool and good, but it just takes time I guess. It’s a bummer that around 85% of the community never even gets into a huge chuck of each released content.

[quote]I'm almost max light, have done every raid in Destiny and Destiny 2 with the exception of the spire of stars, and that I have been getting into a raid relatively easy up until now.[/quote] Fellow D1 raid vet, with multiple heroic finishes except for VoG. For me, it was a little off putting when I wasn't being invited to leviathan raids in D2, especially when I was at max light. The few I managed to get into, I was kicked for [i]"being a noob",[/i] even though I was often times the one doing my job, and pulling my weight. I had the luck to be kicked from a lobby because I didn't watch a 2 hour YouTube video of some shit stain streamer playing the raid. [quote]I always told complaining raid noobs to create their own post, I created my own post and I quickly realized no one wanted to join my raid group. So that didn't seem to be a valuable solution.[/quote] Yup. I'd spend sometimes over an hour trying to find a group in D2, just to be asked how many completions I had, the emblems, being [i]stat tracked,[/i] etc. [quote]However, matchmaking won't be a solution either. It would just turn raids into a absolute nightmare.[/quote] This is where I disagree. I disagree, in regards to [b]finding people,[/b] from my experience in strikes. Usually people are replaced pretty quick when someone quits. Now if someone lags out, and you need that 6th, it can make [i]completing[/i] the raid hard, but it would be 100x faster finding people than waiting for responses and [b]job application questions[/b] about my experience in Destiny 2 before I get to actually [b][i]try[/i][/b] to raid. [quote]I would love for more people to raid, simply because that would mean we'd have a bigger pool to select the right people for your raid team, decreasing the time it takes to find a team.[/quote] So this is totally my opinion, I speak for no one else. There was toxicity in lfg in D1, I dealt with it many of times. But it wasn't anything close to what it is in D2. I've had [b]several[/b] people, both in the forms, and the [b]clan I was in[/b] offer to take me through. However, the toxicity ruined raiding for me, and now I don't care to do the raids, because lightly the gear is useless in most of them, and mostly out of bitterness and spite. Hell, I uninstalled a couple weeks into forsaken, when I learned that I'd be lucky if I got a single weekly milestone done because of super sparse playing time, and with the [i]enhancement[/i] cores, I would be basically light locked.

I’m a stay at home dad. Only have a couple hours at night to play. Can’t ever find a chill group during those hours to raid. I’ve excepted it though. No problem completing everything else.

Try guided games. I have had some success with it. Raid matchmaking lobby's wouldn't be bad as long as they were optional.

Got D1 and was so looking forward to trying raiding, looked spectacularly awesome. Took a while to get confident enough to try. Made the mistake of checking vids on how too, then read a few forums and lfg sites to prepare as i did not want to let others down with my lack of experience. Was so Disgusted by the elitests demands and vile treatment of other Newbie Guardians, that i had NO wish to spend any time in their elitest company. Let alone hours on end enduring all that Bile and Venom. Then saw the overuse of mechanics ie Jumping puzzles and playing toss the bloody orb crap. Then being a total newbie just took me ages to realise that bungie had NO INGAME MM for that activity. Thought to myself "Too many barriers" for "Too little reward". I totally agree that not all raiders are douchbags, i applaud all those that are NOT elitest jerks. But its mainly the Disgust i now feel towards elitest raiders. Keep your raids to yourselves, you deserve them. But mostly keep raiding as it keeps you away from me.

Destiny 1, raiding with randoms was the end of raiding for me. I met a few good guys but in most groups there was either a racist, a homophobe, a squawking kid, someone with a squawking kid, someone shouting abuse at their squawking kid or just a bellend who thinks he’s a comedy god. I came to the realisation on one raid that I wasn’t enjoying the experience at all. I didn’t want to be there. Some of my real friends have got destiny 2 recently so we occasionally give it a go but rarely get enough of us on at the same time.

Raid noob here. I have a couple reasons. My main reason is I have a clan that is nearly impossible to get us all on at the same time to raid. This is entirely my fault. Second reason is that since I’m new I feel bad joining a random group. It gives me anxiety over a game. I watch a ton of twitch and have seen the raid start to finish many times, but I don’t want to feel like I’m wasting people’s time. These are really just my issues, but I’ve seen how toxic it can be so I just upgrade through milestones and hopefully one day it works out

I raided in D1 but haven’t attempted any in D2 the fact being i ant into being shouted at by kids and due to complex mechanic’s in raids i struggle to remember them due to an injury i have plus my reactions ant as quick now am one hand dominate, people are too stressed and not understanding of other peoples ability and lose touch of games what are meant to be enjoyable my views from a older gamer.