Wanna learn how to stretch a dollar? Turn the dollar into 100 pennies and give yourself a penny every day. Thus the dollar will last 100 days. This DLC is a dollar and we will get 1 cent of content for the next 100 days. Bungie logic on point.

As a player whos been 600 for weeks and is in a clan, I can say this is a sleazy ass move from Bungie. I play religiously and getting to 600 was already a pain in the ass by itself. Time gating activities to oblivion isn’t how you keep an active playerbase. Increasing the light cap to incentivize grinding when at the same time we’re severely handicapped into entering said activities again isn’t fun. Just like with Forsaken it will be weeks until most people are able to step foot into these activities solely because of the light requirements. So the playerbase is forced to sit back and grind the same shit for another month before we can touch the raid. This wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the fact the infusion economy is absolutely shit. Oh you want to use this weapon ? 3 cores for a light increase of 3 light. Who wants to be forced to used a POS bad reputation over their curated nation of beasts? Solely because its higher light? If getting to higher light wasn’t such a pain in the ass to begin with, hardly anyone including myself would have a problem with the light requirements and being forced to wait to access the new activities we payed for while playing the same activities we have been for the last 3 months. Its all just time gating except this time we can physically access the activities instead of waiting an extra month. Its lazy. Everything Bungie has done has been an attempt to keep players invested in the game, because if they handed out everything there was to do day one , players would do all of it and complain theres nothing to do, so now we’re faced with an excessive amount of time gates. We wanted things to grind for and we got it. Thing is now they took it too far. Its a double edged sword at this point. Personally a simple fix would be to bring back the leveling as it was in year 1, yes getting to max light should be a grind but it shouldn’t be tedious as all living shit to do especially at this point in time. We may not need to be max level for really anything but the raid but my god to the enhancement cores ruin the overall experience for trying to level up at the same time use what you want to use.

Me and my clan mates managed to get to 611 in a couple hours and smash out the forge, you just gotta try.

As a solo player there is zero reason for me to buy this DLC. Matchmaking on the forge is nice and all, but due to the light level requirements to actually finish (assuming you also have a competent matchmade team and nobody leaves) it is going to be a VERY long time before that becomes remotely possible. And since it seems all the new weapons and exotics revolve around the forge or raid in one way or another, why on earth would I spend my money on this as a solo player? At least with Forsaken and the other DLC's I could still get my hands on quite a lot of awesome weapons/gear/exotics as a solo player (though I still miss out on more than I would prefer). But with Black Armory... there is nothing for me here to even justify a reckless impulse purchase. The thing is I love a good reasonable and attainable solo grind. As it keeps me coming back to play with an end goal in mind. Even if the grind is time consuming, it is still fun because I can grind it in my own way and in my own terms. Take Broadsword for example... boy what a grind. But it was something I knew I could do if I dedicated myself to it, and it kept me coming back to play as much as I possibly could. This was FAR from a handout kind of grind, and I earned the weapon just as much as the players who earned the original claymore. THIS is what the game needs more of, not just simply light-locking content and/or locking all the cool stuff behind fireteam-activities. Make the content available to everybody, and reward the players who put in the time to do it, rather than just rewarding people who play in fireteams (which arguably is far easier than doing things solo).

The worst part is that it also looks like they throttled the powerful gear boost. I was getting +2 light on pretty much everything. I got two prime engrams at +4. Sad times. I was looking at a youtube video with three guys finishing the Forge at 610+ (all with Whisper) and they had a tough time doing it to say the least. I think the first forge should`ve been accessible since there`s gonna be four of them. I mean if the first forge is 630, what are the others gonna be? Is the last one gonna be 670 with light capped at 650 just for fun? EDIT: Looking at the Road Ahead VIDOC and seeing those two guys talking about Black Forge and saying that they are at 560/580 light... You ain't getting into Black Forge guys lol

Is this destiny 1? Because wasn't there a forge in d1? Or is it a different forge

I was bored before this annual pass dropped. I'll continue to be bored with this game and realize that bungie will always take 2 steps forward and then 9 back. No new destinations, no new story, no new anything but an armory that just happens to be right where we setup our tower. But what really annoys me is this is the formula for the next 10 months. We will suddenly get the smallest DLC ever back to back to back. This just reeks of being a RIP off

Glad I held off buying forsaken... Checking in occasionally to see if it would be worth playing d2 again and....

So we get the Black Armoury and all it seems to equate to is a two wave and boss horde mission throwing balls at a giant floating forge. Which is nigh on impossible until you grind the old content yet again. The content that got boring a month after release. I honestly don't mind grinding for stuff but this feels really stretched out. Especially for paid content. Is this what the next year is going to be like? Drips and drabs of content to justify charging $30? I'm just trying to get my head round this.

I don't get it. If all they were doing was adding end game content, why increase light level? There is literally no point in increasing the light level other than artificially increasing our play time.

So, Bungie changed the paradigm, which they explained several times in interviews and ViDocs - that these updates would not have campaigns associated with them, but would provide new content. The thing nobody caught on to was that we used to use the campaign to level up to the endgame content - which gave us something new from the expansion to play while we became more powerful. We were all still doing the regular milestones when we played through Forsaken's campaign, or Warmind, etc. But this is the first time they've provided endgame content without an 'easy-mode' new activity as a vehicle to reach that endgame content. When I look at it that way, it's not really so bad. I have the initial quest to finish to get to the forge still, but I'm also working on the Breakneck quest and I just got the Malf quest a few days ago, so I've been working that as well. The failure was Bungie's in simply not communicating that this endgame content would not come packaged with new accessible activities we could play to level up. That's their fault, and they're seeing a violent initial reaction to it. I think all of this vitriol will die down after a week or so when the majority can start grinding this activity... Just my $0.02 though...

Wait, so theres a light requirement to do this? I just returned to the game, im only 525 at the moment. And I cant do the content I paid for? Is black armory going away? Is it a temporary content patch, or here to stay? And I hope I can reach 600 or 615 without raiding.

In the Black Armory trailer Ada-1 says: “today it would seem our doors are open to you” except they aren’t. I’ve finished the raid start to finish and completed most milestones and barely reached 607. Usually exotics drop from time to time and give you a descent boost but since none are dropping there’s no way to do the one new activity that released yesterday. What’s worse is people are defending this BS. 😐