It's actually gotten ridiculous, to the point where people consider cheesing as "knowing what to do" and "having experience"; where people will actually ask you "Why [i]wouldn't[/i] you do the cheese?" Idk, why would I want to actually play the game? Not everyone wants to blast through everything as quickly and cheesily and easily as possible, just so they can turn around and complain that a game has no content? I can make and LFG group and sit in a channel for 1 hour + and get a total of 3 people willing to do a no cheese run, all while watching the LFG chat light up with kids saying "590+ MUST B ECKSPEERYENCED AT SHOOTING DA ROCKET AT DA MOUF" I get it, people have lives and not everyone wants to spend hours doing a raid. But the point of the raid is to be challenging. It's not supposed to be something that the average player has 20+ clears on 2 months into its release. It'd be one thing if the riven cheese was akin to a one-phase strat, but it's nothing more than a straight up glitch/exploit that people are using to skip a good 90% of the encounter which I'm sure you developers spent the most amount of time on. And for everyone else, just say no to cheese, plz.