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11/11/2018 2:44:22 AM
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This is what needs to be said about Ursa Furiosa and "OP" subclasses in general.
The battle between what should be deemed OP or not in the crucible is alive and well in the forums, and [i]in my opinion[/i], this video by TV is the best explanation. I haven't seen it put in to words as well as this and it hits all the bullet points.
The TL;DR of the video is that we've (the majority of guardians) been asking to feel more powerful since launch of D2. And now each class is "OP" in their own way. Hunters have been the top of crucible forever and now they get blade barrage, a great shutdown super. Warlocks have been the bottom of crucible forever and now they have nova warp, the "best" crucible skill tree. And Titans have the Ursa Furiosa (which can be useless all depending on the opponent) and one eyed mask. We are all powerful, so why not let everyone have there own power if we can keep our own?
I believe the silent majority likes the subclass balance, but the now loud minority are making tons of "nerf nova warp" "nerf Ursa Furiosa" and "nerf (hunters in general)" posts. People that like the new changes aren't gonna make a post about it. As of yet, I haven't seen a "nerf" post with a positive upvote ratio, being why I think it's a minority that wants nerfs. Please link me a post if I'm wrong.
I'm obviously in the "stop nerfing" pool but that doesn't mean there should be zero nerfs, there just hasn't been a reason to nerf anything yet for me (subclass wise). Let's see some more discussion in the comments and also [i]give some reasons[/i] as to why you do or don't want changes instead of just ranting.
That is all.
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Ursa Furiosa doesn't need a nerf. Shards of Galanor absolutely does.
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lol....Keep shooting the shield.
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Use golden gun. You will kill him and he won’t get anything back.
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The gloves aren't OP. Most people are just REALLY, REALLY stupid. They can't work out the strategy of "Hey, there's a guy with a super. Let me get away from that" and just want to hold the trigger down until they die. So naturally a super that feeds off this sort of stupidity is going to do very well.
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5 RepliesI agree with everything you said except some nerfs are ok. No nerf is ok. Nerfs create havoc and spill into other parts of the game that nobody expects. It waters down the game and we all know how bad that was. I’m tired of vaulting an entire class of weapon due to the stupidity of nerfing. My scouts are a prime example and even after the newest “buff” they still remain useless. How about everyone excepts the fact that they will die during the course of a crucible or Gambit match and the same will happen in Strikes, challenges and any other activity in the game. Isn’t that why we have ghosts? In other news most of the player base likes feeling powerful and killing things quickly and without discretion. No nerfs.
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They are not OP at all. If you are dumb enough to shoot a blocking titan, even if they dont have the gloves on, then thats your fault. If you do not shoot them then they are useless.
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1 ReplyEdited by The Questbro: 11/11/2018 8:12:27 AMThis game would be way better if crucible was removed from the game and Bungie focused all of their efforts on coop gameplay and PVE. like a million times better. I have over the course of my Destiny 2 adventure grown from indifference to outright hating the PvP crowd. You are the biggest damn crybabies I have edger seen. I wish Bungie would just remove the crucible from the damn game so you could go back to Call of Duty or Fortnite. You all suck.
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6 Replies"I'm against nerfs but let's nerf this thing I suck at countering." 😒
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8 RepliesUrsa's suck in [b][u]competitive[/u][/b] because you play against smart players who realize that shooting a blocking sentinel isnt going to do shit. Of all of the super enhancing exotics it's the easiest to counter so it should be the best. It's also the only one that's dependent on other players skill level over your own. Having said that I am not against tuning ursa furiosa. I use anteaus wards anyways. I honestly believe they are better.
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The only thing that needs a nerf is the dam telesto and a 10% range nerf for all 45rpm shotguns and a 20% base range nerf on 55 rpm pellet shotguns
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51 RepliesUrsa literally feeds on the stupidity of your opponents
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1 ReplyI will NEVER understand how weapons and armor can be "so OP", when we ALL have the means and access to obtain these items!!!! I hate when people complain about getting things nerfed (not you, OP), just because they get outclassed by the person wielding it. We all have the same access to these items in-game. I'm praying Bungie finally keeps this train rolling and stop nerfing shit to the ground. It's not the items that ruin the game, it's the people complaining and not getting better with them.
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2 RepliesHonestly, you pick this guy to illustrate your point? True Vanguard, who even at this point last year was still trying to defend the state of D2, trying to silence those calling out everything that was wrong. TV, who spends his whole time pubstomping others in quick play and on the odd occasion he’s matched with people that actually know how to play then spends the whole time crying about pretty much whatever they use. TV, who thinks that it’s ok for people who have the money to pay for account recoveries to get Luna’s. That’s how much he values those that struggle but don’t want to cheat. The guy is a stain on the Destiny community.
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TV is a hypocrite and sore loser. He has no problem stomping people in crucible with meta, records it and makes lots of money from it. His followers worship his used toilet paper. He demands nerfs on anything that beats him and has the ear of Bungie to get things changed in his favor. I tried to have a civil conversation with him once about Redrix Claymore in season 3 crucible and he went on a rant totalyoff topic and tried to belittle me for his followers to see and upvote. Dude is a grown spoiled brat that has fits when things don’t go his way. Y’all who follow his word as gospel can keep him.
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Edited by OriginalMrDave: 11/12/2018 9:00:26 AMI would argue that these are less OP in crucible than Shards of Galanor on the basis that to get the super to regen you effectively have to not use your super (run around with the block up, rather than getting kills). Still neither have a place in crucible IMO.
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Most things OP are easy to counter it’s just the lack of knowledge of the counter
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Edited by RPColten: 11/12/2018 3:38:48 AMIf a specific aspect of the sandbox lacks intuitive, compelling or clearly defined means of countering, then that subject must be adjusted to fit back in line with the established norm. That is what a reduction (nerf) is, and they are important aspects of sandbox balancing even in singleplayer games.
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Honestly, I think Nova Warp and Blade Barrage should be nerfed in their base states. [i]However[/i] I think they should be given exotic support to make them as mind meltingly over powered as they are now. Blade Barrage+Shards should equal blade barrage as it is now. Nova Warp+Some new exotic should equal nova warp as it is now. And I think [b]every[/b] specific super should be given its own exotic that buffs it up to these levels that make it good. Skullfort is good for arc titans! Maybe give it a little tweak to make it more viable for PVP, too, or something. Maybe make a new exotic specifically for Code of the Missile that makes it not bad for PVP. I'm fine with certain things being crazy powerful if you build for it, because that rewards clever play and effort, and I think everyone should have the chance to do it.
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1 ReplyHonestly, Ursa Furiosa isn’t that bad as long as your teammates understand to NOT SHOOT THEM WHILE THEYRE GUARDING
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2 RepliesEither nerf it or buff everything else to give us all 8 supers per game.
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The problem in my opinion with this view is that only some classes are strong with big power fantasy. Nova warp, Ursa titan, Blade barrage. Where is the power fantasy for Dawnblade or Nova bomb or striker or If people don't want things nerfed then they need to be advocating for buffs for the likes of Dawn blade or striker or whatever else needs to be brought up. The problem with this is we end up playing Mayhem rather than the game modes we want.
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Just don't shoot the Ursa Furiosa user or use a super to counter it. Destiny Fun Police did a video recently on counters to the super.
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6 RepliesMy problem with nova warp is the misleading blast radius, and the power it has in regards to all other supers. -It can't be outrun unless the nova warp user makes a mistake (Unlike every other roaming super, which doesn't move faster than sprint speed) - Its blast radius is obscene and not accurately reflected in game - Its a roaming super with the power of a shutdown super, One hitting most other supers from full health. - No other roaming super can match its power without fulfilling a special qualification first. - It has a base duration of 25 seconds, again, longer than any other super, bar spectral blades if you stay Invisible the whole time, which is also currently 25 seconds. It breaks the balance between roaming and shutdown supers by being both, and being very easy to use, and to restore that balance either it needs to be toned down, or the other supers need to be buffed up. Preferably, the latter, tbh
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6 RepliesIt’s super easy to counter. Just don’t shoot it. If everyone realized that, problem solved.
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I never shoot titans who keep their shields up. I automatically assume they’re using ursa furiosa (I’m usually right about this) lol doesn’t stop my teammates from shooting, though.
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1 ReplyHunters having an exotic that starts health regeneration on dodge is OP as shit and needs to be nerfed immediately . Titans having one that gets back their entire super with only 1 shotgun shell is not broken and the epitome of balance. "Just don't shoot the shield lol." -Ursa Furiosa titans At least the other exotics of this category require multi kills to get a decent chunk back. One or two stray bullets hitting the shield is all titans need for another super.
