Lemme preface, I Loved Destiny 2 when it came out, the Raid was amazing, and to me there was enough content to last until the first expansion. I bought the full season pass (around $100 I think) and spent quite a bit on Eververse too. The following is to describe how a lot of us former Guardians feel, and to give insight on why we aren't coming back to Destiny. I know the game is better now, but that just isn't enough for us.
People, like me, are not coming back to Destiny 2 for a few reasons:
[b]1 - Bungie is very greedy and we don't like or want to support that anymore.[/b]
• $100 game with micro-transactions littering the game.
• Shaders were now consumable (and almost all the good ones only came from Eververse)
• Bright Engrams were very slow to get and completely random. So a huge chunk of the content was effectively locked behind a pay wall and the only way to get what you wanted was to keep paying until RNG gave you the item.
• No special shaders/emotes/speeders/ghosts available through in-game content, it was ALL Eververse.
• The list goes on but I'll stop there
[b]2 - The early Expansions weren't just disappointing, they we offensive:[/b]
• Curse of Osiris had almost no content, and over 50% of it's content was Eververse micro-transactions. It was not an "Expansion," it was a balance-patch that added one small area.
• Apparently Curse of Osiris was finished before the release of the game (Could be false reporting, I don't know for sure, but majority of it was finished by then at the least) and it was sold as a a full blown "Expansion"
• Warmind was not much better, still disappointing, still more Eververse content, still more greed and lack of content. Anotehr expansion that felt like a minor patch. Yet we a lot of money for them.
• The expansions were mediocre at best, and with how little content they gave us they should have been included in the Original Purchase, not the Expansion Pass.
[b]3 - You didn't listen to us. You said you were listening, but you weren't. And when you did finally listen we had already stopped caring.[/b]
• After the first half dozen or so royal screw-ups you finally released a road map of content you wanted to implement. That was really good, except it took you months and months to give us a few paragraphs about what you were gonna change. Why did it take so long for you to respond?
• You didn't listen then so why would you listen now?, and even if that has changed, we don't believe it. With how many times you screwed up despite the massive backlash, we just don't trust you anymore.
[b]4 - Forsaken is once again behind a pay wall, despite it being the actual first Expansion of Destiny 2:[/b]
• I was extremely excited when one of my friends told me that Forsaken was amazing and that they fixed so many of the issues, then I went to log in and saw it was not included in the season pass and was $40... really, I bought the Expansion pass and still don't get access to the first Real Expansion? Screw that, I'm out.
• The original game was free for 2 weeks. This was to get more players to pick up Forsaken, but what about the millions of us who already own it and still feel betrayed? How does that get us wanting to pick up Forsaken? Why no discount or benefit of some kind to show you actually care about he players who supported you during the bad times. You preyed upon us as consumers during the initial release, and you are still doing it, and we won't have anything to do with it.
TL;DR - Bungie you Betrayed our trust, and we don't forgive you for that. Especially with Activision announcing that they aren't happy with sales and will now put MORE micro-transactions in the game.
This is why we aren't coming back. You burned a bridge with us still on it, and it will take a lot more than "Look the game is finally good" to get us to come back.
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1 ReplyA N T H E M A N T H E M
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5 RepliesI think Warmind holds up pretty well, honestly. I don't know why people are so down on it.
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You make good points but why would you actually think Forsaken would be included with the season pass? 1. They specifically said what the season pass included. 2. It followed the same pattern as D1. 2 dlcs and then you pay for the year 2 expansion separately. I'm sorry but your ignorance there is your own fault. I will never defend Bungie but you've have to have been living under a gaming rock to not expect to have to pay for Forsaken.
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3 Repliesim almost at my one year anniversary of quitting. i kind of paid attention, hoping it would be better. at the very least, makes strikes as good as D1. its been very entertaining to see all the bs yall go through
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The funny thing is Activision isn't happy with D2 sales....which are low because everyone hates the BS Activision is making Bungie add into the game. Activisions solution is to add more BS into the game.......that makes no sense whatsoever.
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17 RepliesEdited by TheArtist: 11/9/2018 8:36:12 PMDisagree. Bungie violated a trust, but it has nothing to do with the points you are making. Bungie violated a more important trust. The trust that the player can PREDICT what kind of game and what kind of experience he or she will get for their money......and the quality of that experience. McDonald's isn't a successful business because it makes the world's best hamburger. Its a successful business BECAUSE THE FOOD TASTES THE SAME NO MATTER WHERE IN THE WORLD YOU BUY IT AND EAT IT. When you walk or drive into a McDonald's you know what you're going to get, and they deliver it consistently. Destiny 1 when it was released was a game that has clearly been published before it was ready....and other than its shooting mechanics and FEEL as a shooter....was not a very good game. But a hardcore audience stood by Bungie and with our feedback helped Bungie to turn into what was actually a pretty good game by the end of Year 3. But instead of building upon what they had learned......Bungie pivoted and ran off in a completely different direction. One that was not what the vast majority of the player base wanted....or asked for. I, personally dont' accept their explanation that they were trying to make Destiny 2 more appealing to casual players. The fact is that EVERY change they made to Destiny 2 were EXACTLY the changes you needed to make to Destiny 1 in order to get The Crucible seen as an e-sport. I believe the Destiny player base got sold out in a misguided effort to make The Crucible the next Overwatch, and the next "hot property" for Major League Gaming (owned outright by Activision). Someone had the really bad idea that they could basically redesign the entire game around PVP....and that the existing player base would either juat accept the changes.... Or we'd be replaced by a more PVP-oriented player base. NEITHER happened....and BOTH were profoundly disrespectful to the customers who had put up with Destiny's growing pains. TLDR: The game is in the position its in right now because----of poor management decisions----its in its FIFTH year and still trying to firmly "brand" itself. In its fifth year, and Bungie is still in subtle ways AT WAR with their player base over what kind of game Destiny is to be. ...and that doesn't inspire trust, and will not win back players.
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Also there are just so many other good games out. Players have generally moved on. If Anthem is any good they’re in real trouble, not to mention Division 2
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Forget getting people to return, they can't get new people to stay on board with all the matchmaking issues, new players will get stomped by teams constantly and quit.
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I think this was all created because of Activision. The crap dlcs of warmind and coo are probably because of Activision wanting to push mediocre content behind dlcs and to monetize microtransactions even more. Remember, Activision has a 10 year contract with bungie and probably the reason why both d1 and D2 had dlcs instead of the actual full game at launch. Activision is the one who’s greedy and that’s why they said they’re disappointed with the sales on Destiny 2 recently, even though forsaken has been doing great. They don’t want quality content, they don’t want dedicated games. They want money, quantity over quality.
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4 RepliesI'm personally not paying $40 for it. CoO and Warming were not worth $20 each. So I'm definitely not going to throw another $40 at Bungie. Plus, there's this whole anti-casual sentiment where god-forbid anyone spend less than 40 hrs a week playing this game.
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2 RepliesRadical changes introduced with Destiny 2 vanilla alienated players. Same as new coke vs old coke debacle. Also, Pvp is way less accessible with no skill consideration in matchmaking. New players pick the game up, get stomped on and then quit.
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4 RepliesD2 was made for casuals. Reality: played by above average, hardcores, and sweats. They want casuals to play this game as its made for casuals but players don’t treat as such. So bungie needs to treat the player base as a non casual community as such and so they will have more respect. They need to make destiny exactly like The taken king or the game may not survive in the future.
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First off, while I agree with the post, this is pretty much entirely due to Activision's greedy tactics, not necessarily Bungie's. That said. Activision/Bungie only need to go through the #removeeververse posts (the ones which actually highlighted the issue, not the spam) to see why they didn't see similar player engagement to D1.
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This one's on Activision. Let Forsaken do pretty great actually for Destiny standards and Mr. Publisher is now whining because they forgot the last year happened. D2 keeps pulling expansions like this and we'll actually be in a very good place.
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You think d2 was bad ? Wait until d3 and we find out it's now mobile just watch blizzard at their best .
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Game doesnt work correctly and there is nothing powerful to grind for nuff said
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4 RepliesWhile certainly the anger players have experienced is completely valid, regarding Bungie's behavior through the first few months of D2, it hasn't been an issue for awhile. Warmind was a respectable piece of content, as $20 DLC's go, and Forsaken has proved very satisfactory. And remember, microtransactions are cosmetic only, and completely optional. The best way to discourage them is to refuse to purchase them.
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Forsaken + Pass cost way too much ! Destiny 2 PS -free Destiny 2 Forsaken now Includes last two DLCs Destiny 2 PC becomes free Forsaken now 25% off .... .... I can wait, once it's 20$ then I'll buy it, I'm in no rush to play Destiny 2(game is meh all around)
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even the tldr was tldr in a nut shell you are wrong and I still throw money at the game... someone has to pay the light bill for you pukes to have something to have a forum to bitch on...
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Because they have a life!????
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D1 didn't see full scale in re-engagement either for all those wondering. And it was for the exact same issues
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1 ReplyI remember when I bought the game at launch the expansion pass clearly stated it was only for 2 expansions.
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Expectations: Taken king but on loads of roids Reality: Destiny 1.1