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9/27/2010 3:04:35 AM
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So how is the Sangheili rank structure supposed to look now? SPOILERS

*Note [i] Long post ahead, you have been forewarned[/i] In case you guys did not notice, in Halo Reach Bungie added two new elite ranks. These are as follows. [u]Field Marshals[/u] [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100924131214/halo/images/thumb/0/0e/Sangheili_Field_Marshall.jpg/640px-Sangheili_Field_Marshall.jpg]Appearance[/url] [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Field_Marshall]Profile[/url] [u]Generals[/u] [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100919233250/halo/images/d/d5/Reach_1641364_Medium.jpg]Appearance[/url] [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sangheili_General]Profile[/url] *Note [i]All content is brought from the Halo wiki and is rightfully theirs, content used for reference and discussion.[/i] [u]Summary[/u] So basically Generals are not seen too much in the campaign in terms of cutscenes. They prefer heavy weapons instead of the energy sword wielding [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Zealot]Zealots[/url], though in the Reach campaign (as far as I know) we mainly encounter generals in terms of high ranks. And they DO sometimes wield energy swords. So how do we rank this then? Zealots command ships and sometimes fleets as there are classifications of ranks for zealots. Zealots usually wield energy swords as a sign of their rank. Saying that means that the generals could be equivalent to the Zealot rank because they are able to use energy swords. Also sometimes Generals are white (rarely) but albeit that could be an indication of the fact that maybe generals are just another classification of a zealot? In my head that doesn't make too much sense. Because whats confusing is who would have a higher power over another if a general were to be on a ship with a Zealot (unless of course said Zealot is the ships commander). Also generals are more commonly found as instead of the all powerful sword rushing zealots in Halo CE who are rarely seen, as to thus may infer that Zealots have a higher power then a general. Though there also are Zealot ranks such as a [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Field_Master]Field Master[/url] which command ground forces so that could maybe fill in the blank. So that's one contradiction I found. Another is the field marshals, though they are actually seen in a cutscene in reach. They are seen in the mission "Winter Contingency" which is the second mission in the campaign. More specifically they appear in the cutscene where jorge was consoling the frantic german girl. In case you guys wanted a refresher here is a [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100816132560/halo/images/thumb/a/a8/Reach_%22The_Battle_Begins%22-Elite.png/759px-Reach_%22The_Battle_Begins%22-Elite.png]screenie[/url] from the cutscene. Now field marshals are EXTREMELY rare in the campaign. Literally only one is fought during the entire reach campaign. (In game as in not only in the cutscene). They in my opinion outrank Generals because of the sheer fact that they are so rare in the game. Now they could be translated by that point that due to the major similarities between the generals and the zealots that field marshals could be equal to a [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Fleet_Master]Fleet Master[/url]. A fleet master is the highest rank (as known right now) a Zealot can attain. They command [i]fleets[/i] (hence the name)of ships. [u]Theory[/u] Though even with that comparison done there is one theory that I have come up with on the field marshal in terms of role in the covenant military. I do not have reference to this as of right now but your going to have to take my word for it on some of it unless you really want me to show evidence then I'll try to scrounge up something. So at the time of the field marshal appearing there is ONE covenant carrier(I vaguely know ship classes so work with me) in orbit at the time of the invasion. After jorge dies of course is when the whole fleet or instead the real invasion force arrives. So basically that's ONE covenant ship that was there of course needed a commander. Zealots command ships, so obviously a Zealot would be on said ship, due to not seeing any zealots or even generals for that matter at the time. But why is a field marshal there if there is only one ship currently out at the time? Probably because to the covenant this is a very important mission so they probably assigned a field marshal too that ship in order to overlook everything. Now here is where it gets interesting, there is a line of dialogue in the campaign said by Jorge during the ending cutscene in the mission [i]ONI: Sword Base[/i] in which jorge is briefing halsey on what happened in the confrontation with the elites. Now here is the line that piqued my interest during this writeup. Jorge: They engaged us as well. It was uh, just after we found your scientist's daughter, Ma'am. She was hiding in the- Halsey: Irrelevant. The Elites. Tell me more about them. Jorge: Three. [i]Zealot[/i] class. One got by us. The leader, from the looks of him. Did you get that? That's right he just said Zealot class, meaning that the aforementioned field marshal IS a zealot and is probably equivalent to a fleet master as it also says that he was the leader of the group. But then again we may never know as a field marshal could be the leader of several zealots meaning that they could be equal to in power to a [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Supreme_Commander]Supreme Commander[/url]. Also since they look as if they command ground based forces then that means the field marshal may have been in charge of recovering forerunner artifacts as well, meaning they may have direct contact with the [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Admiral]Imperial Admiral[/url] or even more as having direct console to the Sangheili [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Councilor]Council[/url] So basically that's my theory. Despite all the contradictions I've pointed out there may still be some stuff to sort out and to me its more interesting than confusing to see new elite ranks. What is the role of generals? Are they zealots? (even though I've shown my theory nothing is set in stone until it officially is) And plus if you go by matchmaking rank then field marshals ARE the highest eilte permutation you can get so that sort've adds support to the theory as well. So discuss on what you guys think and if you've actually read this far then thanks and tell me your thoughts on my theory and your perspective on the matter. [Edited on 09.26.2010 9:37 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NirvashTypeEND REGULARS Minor Major Ultra SPEC-OPS Stealth Ascetics Spec-ops Spec-ops officer IRREGULARS Rangers BOBs*NON CANON* ZEALOT General Zealot Field Master Field Marshal COMMAND RANKS Spec-ops Commander of the covenant Ship Master Fleet Master Supreme Commander Imperial Admiral Arbiter(Figure Head/Spec-ops) Councilor EDIT: I fix'd and cleaned up some [/quote] Awesome list and I think your mostly right. Though I don't know about ultras because aren't they higher then spec ops people?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BK Burger Boy Did anyone see any Major Domos in the campaign? I swore I saw a few.[/quote] Not sure if anyone addressed your question specifically, but I believe they are the red ones running around in Officer armor.

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  • I run an all Sangheili clan. Although this will be revised as of October 2nd, here is our [url=http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af153/matman2540/SE/SERanks.png?t=1285593891]current Ranking Tier[/url]. I'll post the revised one when it is finished.

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  • Sounds about right. Also, as jorge says Zealots are a class. I imagine they are the class of elites allowed to have energy swords or maybe the class that are allowed to command other elites. Either way I see it as the difference between enlisted men and officers - a whole different ballgame as far as what they do in the military. I dont know if the BOB is a real rank or just a egg and some of those are more parallel to each other then shown but overall a good list [Edited on 09.26.2010 10:14 PM PDT]

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  • REGULARS Minor Major Ultra SPEC-OPS Stealth Ascetics Spec-ops Spec-ops officer IRREGULARS Rangers BOBs*NON CANON* ZEALOT General Zealot Field Master Field Marshal COMMAND RANKS Spec-ops Commander of the covenant Ship Master Fleet Master Supreme Commander Imperial Admiral Arbiter(Figure Head/Spec-ops) Councilor EDIT: I fix'd and cleaned up some [Edited on 09.26.2010 10:23 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 00Marinator [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jagster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 00Marinator Perhaps Field Marshall's, as you said perhaps being equivalent to Fleet Masters are the Sangheli army equivalent for them. So a Field Marshall would lead Troops on the ground, whereas a Fleet master would control Space fleets. This also explains the presence of a Field Marshall during the early parts of reach - To oversee troop deployment.[/quote] Great point, though the only problem is that Field masters do that as well but in a smaller sense meaning they control small squadrons of ground forces. And I say that because why would a field marshal bring lower ranked zealots (field masters) to the fight with the spartans who they knew were there? Maybe its because that's what was available at the time but I'm just pondering on this. Though I agree mainly because it would explain the FIELD part in the name as being relevant to something on the field (ground) and field masters have the same surname in it so yet again maybe it would make sense to have field masters with the field marshal. Also it would explain why generals don't carry energy swords yet we see so many "golden" elites carrying them, though they were probably field master zealots.[/quote] I imagine that the Field Master rank would be the rank below the Field Marshall rank. So this in my mind would make it logical that these Field masters would accompany the one Field Marshall on reach at that time. I imagine it coming down to branches in the Sangheli Military, sort of "looking after their own."[/quote] Holy jebus that sounds right. Basically instead of thinking zealot ranks all being in order, basically it splits into two divisions. Ground ops has field master and field marshal while space ops has ship master and fleet master. [Edited on 09.26.2010 9:54 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jagster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 00Marinator Perhaps Field Marshall's, as you said perhaps being equivalent to Fleet Masters are the Sangheli army equivalent for them. So a Field Marshall would lead Troops on the ground, whereas a Fleet master would control Space fleets. This also explains the presence of a Field Marshall during the early parts of reach - To oversee troop deployment.[/quote] Great point, though the only problem is that Field masters do that as well but in a smaller sense meaning they control small squadrons of ground forces. And I say that because why would a field marshal bring lower ranked zealots (field masters) to the fight with the spartans who they knew were there? Maybe its because that's what was available at the time but I'm just pondering on this. Though I agree mainly because it would explain the FIELD part in the name as being relevant to something on the field (ground) and field masters have the same surname in it so yet again maybe it would make sense to have field masters with the field marshal. Also it would explain why generals don't carry energy swords yet we see so many "golden" elites carrying them, though they were probably field master zealots.[/quote] I imagine that the Field Master rank would be the rank below the Field Marshall rank. So this in my mind would make it logical that these Field masters would accompany the one Field Marshall on reach at that time. I imagine it coming down to branches in the Sangheli Military, sort of "looking after their own."

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 00Marinator Perhaps Field Marshall's, as you said perhaps being equivalent to Fleet Masters are the Sangheli army equivalent for them. So a Field Marshall would lead Troops on the ground, whereas a Fleet master would control Space fleets. This also explains the presence of a Field Marshall during the early parts of reach - To oversee troop deployment.[/quote] Great point, though the only problem is that Field masters do that as well but in a smaller sense meaning they control small squadrons of ground forces. And I say that because why would a field marshal bring lower ranked zealots (field masters) to the fight with the spartans who they knew were there? Maybe its because that's what was available at the time but I'm just pondering on this. Though I agree mainly because it would explain the FIELD part in the name as being relevant to something on the field (ground) and field masters have the same surname in it so yet again maybe it would make sense to have field masters with the field marshal. Also it would explain why generals don't carry energy swords yet we see so many "golden" elites carrying them, though they were probably field master zealots.

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  • Perhaps Field Marshall's, as you said perhaps being equivalent to Fleet Masters are the Sangheli army equivalent for them. So a Field Marshall would lead Troops on the ground, whereas a Fleet master would control Space fleets. This also explains the presence of a Field Marshall during the early parts of reach - To oversee troop deployment.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXFatal v1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jagster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXFatal v1 That's weird. I didn't notice that the Elites in that cutscene were wearing the Field Marshall armor. It's weird because they call them Zealots. [/quote] Yeah which is why it is not known what position a field marshal plays as a zealot. IMO field marshal armor is the best though <3[/quote]Yeah, they're like a mix between a Zealot and a General![/quote] Woah you just inadvertently figured something out for me, I think generals are lower class zealots. If they are then that would explain the mix in appearance for the field marshal. Off topic but the skirmisher looks like he should be in a rock band because of the hair. [Edited on 09.26.2010 9:05 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jagster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXFatal v1 That's weird. I didn't notice that the Elites in that cutscene were wearing the Field Marshall armor. It's weird because they call them Zealots. [/quote] Yeah which is why it is not known what position a field marshal plays as a zealot. IMO field marshal armor is the best though <3[/quote]Yeah, they're like a mix between a Zealot and a General!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXFatal v1 That's weird. I didn't notice that the Elites in that cutscene were wearing the Field Marshall armor. It's weird because they call them Zealots. [/quote] Yeah which is why it is not known what position a field marshal plays as a zealot. IMO field marshal armor is the best though <3 [Edited on 09.26.2010 9:00 PM PDT]

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  • That's weird. I didn't notice that the Elites in that cutscene were wearing the Field Marshall armor. It's weird because they call them Zealots. EDIT: I was halfway through reading your OP, so I didn't see that you already stated that. Oops! :P [Edited on 09.26.2010 9:00 PM PDT]

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  • Bump because I am done with the writeup. Tell me what you guys think :)

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  • Did anyone see any Major Domos in the campaign? I swore I saw a few.

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