I pretty much only play with Warlocks but I think the Warlock melee needs a buff for PvP. It seems like Hunters and Titans get one hit kills for melee but it Warlocks seem to not get a one hit kill for melee? At least that's what it's been like in my experience.

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I play warlock, and sectral blades needs a buff, thats all

The hunter void class is basically the arc class except you turn invisible on launch and you can't turn yourself invisible on your own smoke bombs - that kinda killed it for me, was one of the only cool things about that class.

Kinda feel like nova bomb shouldn't hurt me if I cast it too close. Just an opinion. It would make it feel kinda like the titan slam but it would fix the slow moving complaints. Just get closer. But as it is now its tuff to use properly if your far enough away to not take damage the enemy is far enough away to out maneuver it. But other than that I think the classes are pretty balanced. Except throwing hammer melee. I hate that they have a 0 cooldown melee. And before anyone says "but we have to pick it up and that's not as always easy!" You CAN pick it up. Why not let hunter retrieve their knife on kills? Or void warlocks recharge on melee kills. Crap started complaining about titans... I'm sorry.

Nova bomb vs pebble Nightstalker/ Blade barrage vs ceilings and doorways

Warlock: Fantastic ad clear, great boss damage, great major clear, low cool downs, best support Cons: terrible jump, too reliant on team, too reliant on positioning Titan: meh ad clear, amazing major clear, good boss damage, fastest raw speed, god tier exotics Cons: trash cooldowns, close quarters fighting can lead to death quickly, has to over commit Hunters: great ad clear, bad major clear, fantastic boss damage, fast/instant cool downs, great jumps, self sufficient Cons: other than tether it has no team support abilities, can miss targets, close range capabilities suck P.S. I know some of the pros had cons in them but I kinda forgot to move em and got lazy

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Nova bomb versus tiny pebble in front of opponent

I have only had time for 1 toon which is my Titan and I am sad to say the new classes are sub par. The ark "death from above" melee is awesome for PVE but in PVE it just tickles the enemy and whle you try to figure out which way you are now facing the enemy chuckles to themselves while they give you an atomic wedgie. The sentinel seemed good at first but whenever I put my shield up in the well against a tier 3/4 ogre for instance everyone just seems to move away instead of using the damage buff. Now I just clear adds with it. Worst is the stupid hammer that compares me jumping on the trampoline with my kids and making them bounce so high they enter orbit and while I wait for them to re-enter the atmosphere my super run out.

Well I can drop my knoldge of each subclass for warlocks, wile I've not played my titan enough to really judge his supers so I'll leave that to the more grizzled titans out there, meanwhile I'm lazy so not doing the hunter either. Starting with warlocks void subclasses. The top tree has a lack luster mela and a inconsiquetial super. In PvP the super is good for dropping it on a enemy control point but not much else outside of the typical panic super. The top tree at least has the ability to charge it's grenades making them significantly better meaning pairing this tree with grenade recharge mods is a good idea. Middle tree brings the warlocks longest range mela in the void subclasses with some minor nockback. The super dose decent damage in PvE and is pretty good for clearing out large groups of adds. In PvP the super is arguably one of the strongest warlock supers as it can 1 shot any other roaming super when charged. Grenade can be charged into a hand held nova with extremely short range but the potential to immediately one hit. Bottom tree bring to the table a basic mela. The charge will not be consumed unless it registeres a kill and proc the devour buff. The super is the worst of this subclass. Minimum damage and terrible range in comparison. In PvP this is the super you will drop on a group of enemy's and mabey kill on of them. The thing that carries this subclass is the devour perk which in PvE renders you near immortal. With every kill 1/5 of your grenade is recharged and your health restored to max. You can consume your grenade to start this buff which heals you to max when used. Void, has some unique grenades. Basic vortex nade. Axion darts, and the shatter grenade. Axion tends to be serverly weak wile the shatter nade suffers from the same thing it did in D1 where is effectiveness is limited by the grenades randomness. Lastly you have access to blink which can be an interesting jump for PvP. Although moot in PvE. Onto the solar subclasses starting with the top tree. This tree is built around mobility and in air engaments. The mela is a basic one with nothing special going for it. This subclass greatly encourages you to engage enemy's wile in the air. Ability energy is granted apon air born kills, you can perform and in air dodge, and aiming/firing wile in your jump will not cancel the jump. The super itself can infinitely dodge in the air. One thing to note with dawn Blade is that the super dose abismul damage in PvP and PvE for both the top and bottom tree. Taking 3 hits to kill other roaming super in PvP and doing the least damage of pretty much all other available supers in PvE. The middle tree well of radiance is arguably the most viable and powerful warlock subclass for higher PvE encounters in raid and such and it's utility is without question good. The mela applies a area of effect buff to you and all other players in range granting empowerment for 7 seconds. The super is a massive rift that when placed causes greatly increase health regeneration and 35% damage increase. In PvE this super is viable in pretty much any boss fight wile in PvP when used can render your entire team nearly invincible. Along with this the subclass slows you to charge your grenade and cast it onto allies to immediately heal them to full and grant a small overshield. Along with that all your empirment abilities when working together and assisting your team mates can recharge your rift and grenade abilities rapidly. The bottom trees mela causes burn damage to targets you hit. In your super the blade slashes can track enemy's and getting multi kills extends it's duration. In the air holding the rift button will cause you to dive restoring a tiny part of your health and in your super you can perform a Phoenix dive which dose a little aoe damage but typically cant kill a full health thrall. Like top tree the super is pathetically weak. Good aginsted large numbers of adds but not much else. In PvP this is the better tree over the top one, if used correctly it can be ok. Grenades are not so special. Solar nade is basic. Firbolt grenade is basic. Fusion nades are still weak but better for single use targets since the buff. Jumps are regular warlock jumps. Lastly we have the arc subclass. The top tree has a really good mela range that chains damage although not enough to care. The super if cast with both grenade and mela charge will cause it to last longer and drain slower. Wile in the super you can ionic blink around. The tree also allows the super to chain off more targets and the grenades to chain lightning. In PvP the subclass is just really weak. The super is easy to shut down. However it's much better since forsaken and facing enemy's grouped up can melt a team away. In PvE it's mostly an add clearing super and it dose a decent job at it. Middle tree grants a ranged mela hit, dealing more damage then other warlock mela that can be launched. The subclass grants up In kills small arc bolts that will track to the player to restore some super energy and upon low health, a passive buff will enable that for a short time increases movment speed of you and nearby allies. The super itself is very powerful with unlimited range and deals high damage for supers. It's not viable aginsted groups of adds. In PvP it's uses are less practical and more precise for locking down a hall way with enemy's pushing in a group. The last perk dosent work, but it's supposed to allow you to cancel your super and retain some super energy for dropping it sooner. The last tree brings to bear a long range mela that hits at range and restores ability energy. Your super has landfall which allows you to cast a bolt of lightning into the ground during super activation. Meanwhile wile near allies your rift charges faster and your rift grants arc souls. The super is pretty much the same as the top tree exsept you can't ionic blink around and it chain off less enemy's. Landfall can also be used to deal high damage and kill enemy's on super cast. Grenades we get the pulse grenade. Arc bolt grenade and storm grenade storm dealing the most burst damage but talking longest to activate. Wile pulse grenades I don't need to itterate on. Jumps are basic warlock Jumps. In all the new supers in PvP seem to outweigh the viability of the older ones. Warlocks generally tend to have weak neutral and super games in PvP in general, with the highest asset being there rifts. In PvE with the new well of radiance super warlock are now one of the best support classes available. Meanwhile the base supers are all weak for DPS and situational for add clearing. In all, as a warlock main I've found that wile not always viable all the warlock subclass are usable and generally fun to play with. In PvP with a little skill and luck all supers can be put to good use. Although it dose feel in many cases at least in PvE the other classes simply are far more versital and adaptable in there ability and play styles. Not to say that they don't have some non viable classes/abilities. Older Sentinel shield and Golden Gun come to mind. Meanwhile with well of radiance warlocks will no longer be the unrequired class for pinnical PvE activities. Meanwhile in PvP you will need to out play your titan and hunter brothers and sisters a little more often. Overall a good class to play and is generally fun. Just be smart with positioning and you can do well as a warlock.