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Edited by boomerKELLY: 9/29/2018 8:38:56 PM
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WOW Way Internet, Connectivity Issues, and YOU

I'm consolidating some of my posts into a new thread to provide some guidance on reporting this issue and what my personal findings are. The following are Bungie's IP blocks, according to https://ipinfo.io/AS394073 ; Netblock Description Num IPs 172.97.56.0/22 Bungie Inc. 1,024 205.209.16.0/21 Bungie Inc. 2,048 205.209.20.0/24 Bungie Inc. 256 205.209.21.0/24 Bungie Inc. 256 205.234.118.0/23 Bungie Inc. 512 Running some /tracert from my home network yields the following results; [i]Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.285] (c) 2018 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\BK>tracert 172.97.56.1 Tracing route to 172.97.56.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] [b]5 652 ms 686 ms 729 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net [4.59.42.33][/b] 6 814 ms 742 ms 728 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 ^C C:\Users\BK> C:\Users\BK>tracert 205.209.16.1 Tracing route to 205.209.16.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 10 ms 8 ms 8 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 11 ms 9 ms 7 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] [b]5 601 ms 673 ms 646 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net [4.59.42.33][/b] 6 625 ms 596 ms 634 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 ^C C:\Users\BK> C:\Users\BK>tracert 205.209.20.1 Tracing route to 205.209.20.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 10 ms 8 ms 10 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] 5 12 ms 8 ms 8 ms 76-73-166-126.knology.net [76.73.166.126] 6 12 ms 11 ms 10 ms 76-73-166-125.knology.net [76.73.166.125] 7 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms user-24-214-131-160.knology.net [24.214.131.160] 8 19 ms 19 ms 17 ms dynamic-75-76-35-8.knology.net [75.76.35.8] 9 19 ms 22 ms 21 ms chi-b21-link.telia.net [62.115.63.86] 10 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms xe-8-1-1.er2.ord7.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.12.177] 11 18 ms 19 ms 20 ms ae17.cr2.ord2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.31.82] 12 79 ms 77 ms 82 ms ae27.cs2.ord2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.30.244] 13 78 ms 78 ms 79 ms ae5.cs2.den5.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.216] 14 80 ms 80 ms 80 ms ae11.cs2.las2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.27.35] 15 79 ms 80 ms 78 ms ae0.cs1.las2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.28.108] 16 79 ms 78 ms 79 ms ae7.mpr2.las1.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.28.111] 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * ^C C:\Users\BK> C:\Users\BK>tracert 205.209.21.1 Tracing route to 205.209.21.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 11 ms 9 ms 8 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] 5 * 9 ms 8 ms 76-73-166-126.knology.net [76.73.166.126] 6 10 ms 10 ms 12 ms 76-73-166-125.knology.net [76.73.166.125] 7 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms user-24-214-131-160.knology.net [24.214.131.160] 8 19 ms 17 ms 19 ms dynamic-75-76-35-8.knology.net [75.76.35.8] 9 21 ms 22 ms 19 ms chi-b21-link.telia.net [62.115.63.86] 10 18 ms 19 ms 19 ms xe-8-1-1.er2.ord7.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.12.177] 11 23 ms 18 ms 19 ms ae17.cr2.ord2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.31.82] 12 * 102 ms 79 ms ae27.cs2.ord2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.30.244] 13 83 ms 81 ms 77 ms ae5.cs2.den5.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.216] 14 80 ms 80 ms 80 ms ae11.cs2.las2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.27.35] 15 79 ms 80 ms 79 ms ae0.cs1.las2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.28.108] 16 80 ms 80 ms 78 ms ae7.mpr2.las1.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.28.111] 17 * * ^C C:\Users\BK> C:\Users\BK>tracert 205.234.118.1 Tracing route to 205.234.118.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 8 ms 9 ms 7 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 8 ms 8 ms 9 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] [b]5 670 ms 683 ms 642 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net [4.59.42.33][/b] 6 675 ms 630 ms 658 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 ^C C:\Users\BK> [/i] I cut all of the the trace's short (ctrl-c) when their results became clear (I'm impatient) but the culprit, at least for me, is clear. Two of the trace's looked fine. The other three spiked at the hop called; [b][u]xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net[/u][/b] To verify this, I also ran some trace's on two application hosts my company utilizes, one in Philadelphia and the other in Phoenix, both of which I noticed performance issues when connecting to from home the last couple days... [i]Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.285] (c) 2018 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\BK>tracert 206.27.163.28 Tracing route to 206.27.163.28 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 9 ms 7 ms 7 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 9 ms 8 ms 10 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] [b]5 540 ms 517 ms 564 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net [4.59.42.33][/b] 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 570 ms 534 ms 532 ms 4.68.74.146 8 630 ms 611 ms 594 ms chp-brdr-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.8.194] 9 645 ms 602 ms 681 ms 208.174.226.229 10 677 ms 671 ms 659 ms 206.28.101.170 11 641 ms 596 ms 592 ms cr2-te-0-5-0-2.dan.savvis.net [204.70.194.74] 12 655 ms 683 ms 629 ms cr1-tengig0-7-0-0.dallas.savvis.net [204.70.196.213] 13 684 ms 655 ms 513 ms hr2-xe-2-0-0.ph1.savvis.net [206.27.160.46] 14 555 ms 600 ms 613 ms 63.136.4.78 15 68 ms 67 ms 68 ms 206.27.160.118 16 623 ms 633 ms 579 ms 206.27.163.28 Trace complete. C:\Users\BK>tracert 8.41.193.212 Tracing route to 8.41.193.212 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GypsyDanger [192.168.1.1] 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 8 ms 11 ms 10 ms dynamic-76-73-172-225.knology.net [76.73.172.225] 4 10 ms 11 ms 11 ms 76-73-167-194.knology.net [76.73.167.194] [b]5 656 ms 679 ms 651 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net [4.59.42.33][/b] 6 674 ms 670 ms 742 ms 4.69.217.198 7 670 ms 659 ms 651 ms SUNESYS-INC.bar1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [4.34.194.154] 8 43 ms 42 ms 42 ms 8.41.192.82 9 710 ms 694 ms 682 ms 8.41.193.212 Trace complete. C:\Users\BK>[/i] Looks like I have Cincinnati to blame for my issues with Destiny and otherwise. I would encourage anyone interested to perform the same traces and provide this information to WOW technical support. service General questions, billing, technical support, or to transfer existing service: 1-866-496-9669
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  • I ran Last Wish last night and everything was normal. Also I got a call from WOW this morning and they confirmed that I had been part of a major issue and that the issue had been resolved their provider.

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    • Edited by Tribunal: 10/2/2018 12:05:59 AM
      I don't want to get everyone's hopes up prematurely, but it 8:00 PM EST and the choke point hops aren't showing the lag spikes. Now, it's Monday, which is a low traffic night, but here are my numbers. [Cinci route] Tonight 5 19 ms 32 ms 19 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.cincinnati1.level3.net [4.59.42.33] Saturday night 5 663 ms 657 ms 676 ms xe-11-1-0.bar2.cincinnati1.level3.net [4.59.42.33] [Chicago route] Tonight 9 24 ms 20 ms 20 ms chi-b21-link.telia.net [62.115.63.86] Saturday night 9 141 ms 133 ms 138 ms chi-b21-link.telia.net [62.115.63.86] The 9-midnight time frame will be the real test, but this is encouraging. I haven't logged in yet either. I've just been running trace routes every hour, starting around noon EST. So far though, with an exception at 3:00 PM which jumped to 160ms, latency has stayed low and consistent all day.

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      • Sent a message to WOW support on twitter, got the following response: "There are some bad hops with traffic going to Level 3 currently. Please note that this is not within our network, however we do have a ticket that we opened through CenturyLink/Level 3 on our customers' behalf for two apparent bad circuits. Their work is currently ongoing. - Aaron"

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        • I sent a complaint email to wow over the weekend and I got this response “We are definitely not throttling any speeds or performance and actually are supporters of net neutrality. Early this morning, my network engineers have reported that in our Ohio and Michigan markets, the evening hours (peak usage times) are seeing latency and slower speeds. They are currently working on a resolution. I have actually spoken to multiple customer in regards to just Destiny 2, but have not determined if the issue is solely in the markets I mentioned. I have advised any customers that are having issues with this game to contact either Sony or Microsoft and attempt to gain information regarding port forwarding to provide to us. If the issue is due to a firewall restriction or in relation to these latency and speed issues, we will determine and resolve what is causing it. If you would like to respond to this email with the requested port number, I can attempt to open them for you. Thank you, Tony DiGioacchino Peer Development Specialist

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        • I just got off the line with WOW and they are saying this is an issue that they have no clue the cause of the problem. Apparently they are working on it - it's been 4+ days and per istheservicedown.com https://istheservicedown.com/problems/wideopenwest-networks/map There is a LOT off issues tied off on this.

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          • I'm located in metro Detroit and I'm experiencing the same issue. 2 15 ms 18 ms 25 ms d192-24-1-160.try.wideopenwest.com [24.192.160.1] 3 21 ms 19 ms 23 ms d28-23-69-239.dim.wideopenwest.com [23.28.239.69] 4 31 ms 20 ms 20 ms 76-73-165-184.knology.net [76.73.165.184] [b] 5 988 ms 919 ms 923 ms xe-8-2-1.bar2.Detroit1.Level3.net [4.53.74.117] 6 1012 ms 991 ms 982 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1][/b] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out.

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          • Edited by Dieoskody: 10/1/2018 2:50:48 PM
            Good post. Just gotta figure out how to get WOW to fix Cincinnati. Ran my own, looks like Detroit is giving me the issue. C:\Users\Bryan>tracert 172.97.56.1 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 8 ms 10 ms 11 ms d149-67-1-56.try.wideopenwest.com [67.149.56.1] 3 12 ms 12 ms 11 ms dynamic-76-73-172-33.knology.net [76.73.172.33] 4 23 ms 14 ms 28 ms 76-73-165-180.knology.net [76.73.165.180] 5 1061 ms 1058 ms 1079 ms xe-8-2-1.bar2.Detroit1.Level3.net [4.53.74.117] 6 1117 ms 1126 ms 1103 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. I ran the same tracert during the morning since I only have issues connecting to destiny at night. The previous post was run at night when I was not able to play destiny, the difference is pretty noticeable. C:\Users\Bryan>tracert 172.97.56.1 Tracing route to 172.97.56.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 8 ms 14 ms 24 ms d149-67-1-56.try.wideopenwest.com [67.149.56.1] 3 13 ms 9 ms 27 ms dynamic-76-73-172-33.knology.net [76.73.172.33] 4 10 ms 19 ms 11 ms 76-73-165-180.knology.net [76.73.165.180] 5 18 ms 18 ms 35 ms xe-8-2-1.bar2.Detroit1.Level3.net [4.53.74.117] 6 57 ms 61 ms 57 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out.

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            • I ran a trac to the first IP listed, think i found the hold up 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms d4-50-1-44.try.wideopenwest.com [50.4.44.1] 3 11 ms 12 ms 11 ms 76-73-166-89.knology.net [76.73.166.89] 4 * 10 ms 10 ms 76-73-167-210.knology.net [76.73.167.210] 5 10 ms 10 ms 23 ms 76-73-167-89.knology.net [76.73.167.89] 6 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms 76-73-166-126.knology.net [76.73.166.126] 7 22 ms 35 ms 11 ms 76-73-166-125.knology.net [76.73.166.125] 8 24 ms 20 ms 28 ms user-24-214-131-160.knology.net [24.214.131.160] 9 41 ms 41 ms 40 ms dynamic-75-76-35-8.knology.net [75.76.35.8] 10 998 ms 1006 ms 1029 ms 4-1-4.ear3.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.16.38.157] 11 999 ms * 1015 ms ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net [4.69.148.1] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete.

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              • Edited by Tribunal: 9/29/2018 11:48:49 PM
                I have the same results as you when I performed the trace. I then performed the same traces through my company's VPN, and 2 things of note. 1) I did not hit Cinci nodes in any trace, and my pings came back no more than 180ms (which for VPN isn't bad). 2) One of my VPN traces hit ae-1-6.bar2.LasVegas1.Level3.net, but is came back in 159 ms (obviously it took a different route to get there). So I would say the problem is xe-11-1-0.bar2.Cincinnati1.Level3.net (4.59.42.33)

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                • Yep, seeing same results.

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                  Continues tonight. Absolutely horrible connection, no enemies in strikes. Has anyone heard anything official from WOW?

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