That's not the point I'm trying to make, those people will always find cheap ways to have no skill and be rewarded, they're delusional and will always think they're a pro. You can't change that, toxic people exist. I'm just saying that nerfing is not the way to go because it's not about and never was about how cancerous these people are or how little skill that the guns take, I'm trying to say how far it'll go, and I know this community can go and has gone till the ship has crashed and burned. I think nerfing sleeper will be a mistake, not because I think it's balanced or in a ok spot but because it's a signal, a signal to everyone that will suddenly think they know everything on how to balance a game, they will cry for nerfs for a gun that seems even the slightest bit unfair or cry that the guns that everyone but them have need to drop more or be more accesible, bungie will become oppressed by the community again and I don't want a repeat of history.