A rocket launcher is op.
A sniper rifle is op.
A liner fusion rifle is op.
A shotgun is op.
Shoulder charge is op.
Sticky grenades are op.
Firebolt grenades are op.
Smokey grenade with void grenade is op.
Tether is op.
And on and on and on and on...
I've heard the same whining constantly.
Know what I've not heard?
"We were about to bank when we got caught off guard and they got us."
"We didn't deposit enough notes to trigger a portal or larger blockers."
"We were too busy sucking our vape penis while blasting crappy music to hear the warnings."
"We turned off close captioning because, reading is dumber."
"We don't communicate to our teams because I'm a MLG Trials solo tea bagging little gerbil player and if they die, too bad. Look at my ego!!!!"
So, please, tell me, oh wise one. What's your perfect world. Then go build it and just stay there.
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Edited by DrippyChimp: 9/24/2018 4:35:44 PMAre you really comparing snipers to a sleeper sim?
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To answer your question, yes. Both require to aim, both have some sort of aim assist, both give a little red dot. With one exception. You don't need to charge a sniper. However, I have to think you don't use or care to use a sniper.
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Comparing Snipers to Sleeper isn't that great. Snipers require a head shot to kill in one hit and can't kill someone in their super even with a head shot. Sleeper can kill a full health Guardian in their super with a body shot from across the map and you get enough ammo for a team wipe from the pickup in the middle. Snipers can wreak some havoc in a skilled hand, but Sleeper is very low risk and very high reward in Gambit.
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Whisper can one shot to the body with whispered breathing
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The similarities you listed would work for nearly every gun in Destiny.
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Except you don't have to charge a non fusion save for the Mythoclast. I keep hearing that an exotic weapon is OP. Let that sink in. An exotic weapon. In the Heavy Slot. A mini Death Star in your hands, doing what it's designed to do. Melt anything in its path. The only super that can stop it is the bubble. Still, people want it nerfed. An exotic in the heavy slot. So, let's recap since being repeatitive is the only y'all barely listen or comprehend. Sleeper Simulant Exotic Quest Exotic Linear Fusion Rifle Heavy Slot One shots a Guardian regardless of Super. CAN be stopped by a solid object or death. Requires skill to use properly. And I dare you to say otherwise on this one. Does not track. Does not instant shoot. Requires a charge up time Anyone can use So tell me. Where is it so OP? Is it because it's an exotic? Heavy? Or perhaps you, and, your team don't know how to counter it? I'm very curious to know what your excuse is. I will say this. You won't own up to being caught off guard or in a spot where the shooter has a nice line of sight on you. No. That means you're not MLG or elite or good....
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Its OP in Gambit you dunce. The aim assist is insane. You can vompletely miss a person and have your shot still hit. Using Sleeper in normal Crucible is stupid. But in Gambit you have an overshield, your location is unknown, you know where everyone is and Sleeper has infinite range and stupid aim assist.
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The aim assist has been dropped. Before it was dropped, the aim assist was 57/100.
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Should be 0.
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I read that the Malfeasance does extra damage to invaders - we're gonna have to nerf that too - don't want to force anyone to carry a Malfeasance all the time.
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Not gonna get nerfed because its a handcannon. Hand cannons require you to be within range and perfect accuracy to kill a guardian (3 headshots). Try again.
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I think all should be 0
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In what way were snipers OP?
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Reread my post again. Then read your question. The reread my post again. Then read your question. I'll wait...
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Sleeper is OP. Just because things have been considered OP before doesnt negate the fact that Sleeper is OP.
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Ok, here it is in CRAYON. Everything I mentioned has been whined by people who don't care to learn the map or weapons or abilities or, dare I say, freaking tactics. Instead, people such as yourself covers your ears, close your eyes, and shout, "OP! OP! OP! NERF! NERF! NERF!" So here's the question that has never been answered. At what point did you realize that maybe you're getting dropped by a better player who learns the game and can use whatever weapon he desires to drop you because you REFUSE to learn? Please, answer that question and we can continue on with my list. Because, I've been killed by the sleeper in D1 and D2 with the Warmind DLC. In and out of my Super. Guess what? It's a FREAKING RAIL CANNON!!! IT IS SUPPOSED TO ONE SHOT YOU BECAUSE IT IS THE DEATH STAR IN YOUR HANDS!!!! WHINING FOR A NERF SOLVES NOTHING AT ALL!!!! BECAUSE ONCE YOU THINK YOU'VE WON THE SLEEPER NERF WAR, PEOPLE SWITCH AND ADJUST AND IDIOTS WILL WHINE AGAIN!!! SO SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LEARN! OR Go back to extreme Minecraft, Fortnite, CoD, or whatever else PoS PvP only game where you feel empowered with a useless opinion. THIS Guardian fights on and counters the Sleeper users. Finally, the list I posted is EVERYTHING, minus a few topics, is what people have whined and complained about to be reduced to what it is. And while you think you've won, you just screwed a lot of other players over. And do not give me the, "Well, my friends and clan agree this needs to be done", crap line. Now either come up with a better retort or step off...
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[quote]Ok, here it is in CRAYON. Everything I mentioned has been whined by people who don't care to learn the map or weapons or abilities or, dare I say, freaking tactics. Instead, people such as yourself covers your ears, close your eyes, and shout, "OP! OP! OP! NERF! NERF! NERF!" So here's the question that has never been answered. At what point did you realize that maybe you're getting dropped by a better player who learns the game and can use whatever weapon he desires to drop you because you REFUSE to learn? Please, answer that question and we can continue on with my list. Because, I've been killed by the sleeper in D1 and D2 with the Warmind DLC. In and out of my Super. Guess what? It's a FREAKING RAIL CANNON!!! IT IS SUPPOSED TO ONE SHOT YOU BECAUSE IT IS THE DEATH STAR IN YOUR HANDS!!!! WHINING FOR A NERF SOLVES NOTHING AT ALL!!!! BECAUSE ONCE YOU THINK YOU'VE WON THE SLEEPER NERF WAR, PEOPLE SWITCH AND ADJUST AND IDIOTS WILL WHINE AGAIN!!! SO SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LEARN! OR Go back to extreme Minecraft, Fortnite, CoD, or whatever else PoS PvP only game where you feel empowered with a useless opinion. THIS Guardian fights on and counters the Sleeper users. Finally, the list I posted is EVERYTHING, minus a few topics, is what people have whined and complained about to be reduced to what it is. And while you think you've won, you just screwed a lot of other players over. And do not give me the, "Well, my friends and clan agree this needs to be done", crap line. Now either come up with a better retort or step off...[/quote] I totally agree, a beer for you sir. That's what people will never understand, nerfing is just a stopgap but not a solution. We've learned (my clan) how to counter it. One basic first step is to hide, not staying right in the middle of the map (easy target). I've killed so many "sleeper" invaders using the hide technique, forcing the opponent to look for me while another team member strikes him in the back. In D1 there was another demonic weapon called Thorn. I got killed many times with it, but never cried, instead i found a way to be better just for counter. Then i got mine, but soon was nerfed to a level that it was practically unusable.
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This^ you can hide - what I did was learn the spawn points as well as I can. Invader is in *Boom Shotgun to the back* - I use a mixture of both. You can also hear it charging and take cover.
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Next time contribute to the discussion instead of slinging insults.
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Next time don't come to a disagreement unprepared. Like your playstyle, you lack a good counter or strategy.
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Not to mention you have one level 50 character which is 521....
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Kinda funny you mention skill when you have a barely positive KD and a negative win/loss ratio...
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[quote]Ok, here it is in CRAYON. Everything I mentioned has been whined by people who don't care to learn the map or weapons or abilities or, dare I say, freaking tactics. Instead, people such as yourself covers your ears, close your eyes, and shout, "OP! OP! OP! NERF! NERF! NERF!" So here's the question that has never been answered. At what point did you realize that maybe you're getting dropped by a better player who learns the game and can use whatever weapon he desires to drop you because you REFUSE to learn? Please, answer that question and we can continue on with my list. Because, I've been killed by the sleeper in D1 and D2 with the Warmind DLC. In and out of my Super. Guess what? It's a FREAKING RAIL CANNON!!! IT IS SUPPOSED TO ONE SHOT YOU BECAUSE IT IS THE DEATH STAR IN YOUR HANDS!!!! WHINING FOR A NERF SOLVES NOTHING AT ALL!!!! BECAUSE ONCE YOU THINK YOU'VE WON THE SLEEPER NERF WAR, PEOPLE SWITCH AND ADJUST AND IDIOTS WILL WHINE AGAIN!!! SO SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LEARN! OR Go back to extreme Minecraft, Fortnite, CoD, or whatever else PoS PvP only game where you feel empowered with a useless opinion. THIS Guardian fights on and counters the Sleeper users. Finally, the list I posted is EVERYTHING, minus a few topics, is what people have whined and complained about to be reduced to what it is. And while you think you've won, you just screwed a lot of other players over. And do not give me the, "Well, my friends and clan agree this needs to be done", crap line. Now either come up with a better retort or step off...[/quote] First of all, I never said nerf Sleeper. Do not put words in my mouth. A weapon with infinite range and insane aim assist coupled with the ability to see people through walls and them not knowing your location is in fact OP. None of that screams skill and outplaying people. Sleeper is not a good weapon by any standard in Crucible. Since you seem to consider yourself an amazing player, what is a consistent counter to Sleeper in Gambit?
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[quote]Ok, here it is in CRAYON. Everything I mentioned has been whined by people who don't care to learn the map or weapons or abilities or, dare I say, freaking tactics. Instead, people such as yourself covers your ears, close your eyes, and shout, "OP! OP! OP! NERF! NERF! NERF!" So here's the question that has never been answered. At what point did you realize that maybe you're getting dropped by a better player who learns the game and can use whatever weapon he desires to drop you because you REFUSE to learn? Please, answer that question and we can continue on with my list. Because, I've been killed by the sleeper in D1 and D2 with the Warmind DLC. In and out of my Super. Guess what? It's a FREAKING RAIL CANNON!!! IT IS SUPPOSED TO ONE SHOT YOU BECAUSE IT IS THE DEATH STAR IN YOUR HANDS!!!! WHINING FOR A NERF SOLVES NOTHING AT ALL!!!! BECAUSE ONCE YOU THINK YOU'VE WON THE SLEEPER NERF WAR, PEOPLE SWITCH AND ADJUST AND IDIOTS WILL WHINE AGAIN!!! SO SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LEARN! OR Go back to extreme Minecraft, Fortnite, CoD, or whatever else PoS PvP only game where you feel empowered with a useless opinion. THIS Guardian fights on and counters the Sleeper users. Finally, the list I posted is EVERYTHING, minus a few topics, is what people have whined and complained about to be reduced to what it is. And while you think you've won, you just screwed a lot of other players over. And do not give me the, "Well, my friends and clan agree this needs to be done", crap line. Now either come up with a better retort or step off...[/quote] First of all, I never said nerf Sleeper. Do not put words in my mouth. A weapon with infinite range and insane aim assist coupled with the ability to see people through walls and them not knowing your location is in fact OP. None of that screams skill and outplaying people. Sleeper is not a good weapon by any standard in Crucible. Since you seem to consider yourself an amazing player, what is a consistent counter to Sleeper in Gambit?
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Well said. Everything is always op, except for their skills.