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Edited by Spawn:
9/16/2018 1:12:40 AM
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Sleeper Simulant is ruining Gambit
I don't want to be the buzzkill here, I know many of us don't want to see things nerfed but this, my dudes is ridiculous. It can one shot you from anywhere on the map, body or head it doesn't matter. The invading player can see your location which gives them time to charge it up and one shot you. How is this not considered broken?
I could "get gud" or whatever but getting good still does not make gambit fun if I have to be paranoid that every invader is running sleeper. Yes, I could run sleeper too. I could go around one shotting invaders and defenders all day but that still does not fix the issue. If the only way to counter sleeper is sleeper that's a problem. I'm not saying nerf sleeper into the ground but it needs some tweaks, it's just not fun playing Gambit anymore when there is such an easy way to dominate the field.
I know many of you will fire back at this post because a lot of you most likely love sleeper and use it yourselves. However, I really want you to take a step back and remove your bias to really look at this weapon and then give your opinion on it.
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Yes. Yes it is.
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6 RepliesSleepers aren't hard to get. Go get one. Time consuming but not hard. The sleeper has been a boss stomper the whole time through D1 and D2. It isn't strange at all that it rips through bosses and kills folks in one shot. That is what it is supposed to do. 3 sleepers melts Atheon in one phase if you do your buffs right. No nerfs, We just had a year of throwing bologna sandwiches at each other. I vote yes to sleeper being awesome.
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36 Replieswhy does every weapon that you die from need to be removed or nerfed. don't stand in the open, crouch, communicate with your team on where the invader is. basically you are going to die at some points in the game. Sometimes it is going to be your fault for failing to look after yourself well, and others, the opponent is better and beats you. Is part of the game, try loosing graciously.
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12 RepliesEdited by IronMaiden: 9/14/2018 6:41:42 PMthis is what happens when players are scared to use other weapons you get one that is over used to the point bungie come a knocking and nerf said weapon a whole new dlc a whole new bunch of weapons and armour TRY USING THEM THEY DONT BITE it's safe to let go
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3 RepliesNo kidding, this has been a community complaint since the one day preview.
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1 ReplyDisable heavy for Invaders, remove the ability to see where players are. Either or can even it out. Nerfs aren't necessary, because bungie is terrible with them. I understand we only have 30 seconds and removing the ability to see where players are puts them at a disadvantage, but when you can track a player and pre charge a sleeper and nuke them, that gets old. Small changes please.
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The Queenbreakers bow with combat sights is much better than Sleeper for me in Gambit. Charge time is a 1/3 that of sleeper, and doesn't have such an obvious trracer which would they, the enemy, would see.
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3 RepliesNerfing the Sleeper is most certainly not the prudent thing to do. That would just ruin the weapon for other activities where it’s really needed. If the “Invader” becomes too much of a problem they just need to tweak a few other mechanics related to the invader. Nerfing the Sleeper to “fix” Gambit would be a crime.
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2 Repliesagree that the meta should allow for broader effective options instead of one thing utterly dominating
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1 ReplyOr take away invaders' heavy ammo. They already have wall hacks and shield.
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14 Replies[quote]I don't want to be the buzzkill here, I know many of us don't want to see things nerfed but this, my dudes is ridiculous. It can one shot you from anywhere on the map, body or head it doesn't matter. The invading player can see your location which gives them time to charge it up and one shot you. How is this not considered broken? I could "get gud" or whatever but getting good still does not make gambit fun if I have to be paranoid that every invader is running sleeper. Yes, I could run sleeper too. I could go around one shotting invaders and defenders all day but that still does not fix the issue. If the only way to counter sleeper is sleeper that's a problem. I'm not saying nerf sleeper into the ground but it needs some tweaks, it's just not fun playing Gambit anymore when there is such an easy way to dominate the field. I know many of you will fire back at this post because a lot of you most likely love sleeper and use it yourselves. However, I really want you to take a step back and remove your bias to really look at this weapon and then give your opinion on it.[/quote] OR Let me put this another way .. Gambit is ruining the Sleeper simulant. Or it will do if you -blam!-wits keep bitching about it begging for a nerf... It's idiots like you who killed all the fun in Year 1
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6 RepliesTold my clanmates I'm not running gambit with them unless we all run sleeper. I know that makes me part of the problem but hey every team we go against is using it so I just want to even the playing field
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Screw you, your whining is ruining gambit. Did no one learn anything from the first year of D2? D1 nerfherders ruined an entire year of D2.
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1 ReplyGambit is getting boring already it takes to long should be one match not best of 3 snipers and stimulant is just the topping
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1 ReplyI don’t even have the sleeper and I fight against it pretty well, invader incoming ok find where they are at either hide or strafe them don’t run at them
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I've simply learned to equip it, or be at a disadvantage. It is what It is, sadly. If it can be tuned in a way that has zero affect on pve, then something might need to be done. If not, then get used to it, I suppose.
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1 ReplyIf I’m forced into gambit and I see a guy invade with sleeper I run into spawn and sit with a shotgun. It’s annoying and that shouldn’t be the only option but I don’t know what else to do. They don’t need to nerf it but they need to do something about it.
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2 RepliesOr Gambit is ruining sleeper...ever think of that shit?
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2 RepliesThey could lower the damage, but increase the Precision damage. Wouldn't kill in one body shot from full health, but would do more damage on Precision hits. Would lower its effectiveness for invading, but still be a buff in damage.
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6 RepliesBecause... it's not considered broken? You're the only one complaining about it? The game literally tells you there is an invader, which means you should probably stop what you're doing and find and kill that invader. Are you also going to say Grenade Launchers are broken because they explode on impact? There is a reason why it requires Heavy Ammo to use. You are actually not actively trying to deal with the issue but instead of wasting your energy - that could have been used learning to fight it, mind you - in complaining about it. You assert that we have bias because we use sleepers, that's not an argument. We can say the same thing about you and your bias against Sleeper. That's not how that works.
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9 RepliesEdited by pop_kid24: 9/14/2018 7:43:26 PMLove how this guy gets downvoted for saying whats on 90% of the communitys mind. He isn't wrong at all. Even a noob can wipe an entire team with a sleeper, it'd be hard not to. Now maybe a nerf isn't whats needed, but anyone who says the sleeper isn't OP in gambit is full of it.
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5 RepliesI hate sleeper in gambit, but I don’t think they should do anything about it. All of the possible fixes are either too extreme or too complicated to be done right. I’d rather have it be annoying for 30 seconds at a time than be completely useless 100% of the time. It’s not even like it’s an instant win either. There are plenty of people who use it that are absolute trash. As much as you don’t want to “get good”, sometimes you have to sweat your balls off. There’s no such thing as casual pvp.
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31 Replieshmm i just got killed what are my options, adept and overcome or complain and ask for nerfs. I see what kind of person you are.
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4 RepliesI have no bias and when it comes for sleeper, stop crying about it and deal with it and find a way to outplay the player by putting a bullet in their head with a sniper, Not that tough. People like you ruin the game because you do not know how to rationally deal with your emotions and you come into the forums and cry about it. Unless it is GAME BREAKING like Prometheus Lens stop asking for nerfs. You can counter a sleeper with a sniper, I know god it means actually aiming and using effort instead of just complaining about it.
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2 RepliesSimple solution: Nerf its body shot damage. Drastically ramp up its headshot damage. That'll put it in line with other linears, but it'd still have its massive damage potential.
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6 RepliesEdited by SniperFrog161: 9/14/2018 4:56:06 PMI have been killed exactly one time in Gambit by invaders using sleeper. Rockets are far worse because they don't actually have to hit you. Sleeper is fine. Change your strategy on hunting invaders. If you expose yourself too much a WotW will kill you just as easily. It sounds like you are over-aggressive and your team doesn't know how to collapse on invaders. Well said, Scott da Pirate! Now let's get on to important things like the broken masterworks economy and the Last Wish raid.
