This is ur REAL crucible crybaby that these unintelligent forum knights talk about. They're mainly pve mains No offense to OP, to each their own I'm honestly astounded by the sheer idiocy that some posts or replies reference to Most of this current community can't even figure out how the mechanics work or improve after at least dozens of hours of gameplay.... Let alone hundreds or thousands Pvp has the garbage that flip the spawns and players who feel they're equal to others in reaction time, game sense, aiming, or craftiness. Pve mainly just has the solo situation and weapon behavior; damage has been tweaked separately yet bungie leads are the main perpetrators to major changes in damage output without community feedback The problem comes from their own camps blaming the incompetence on display towards that mode