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8/3/2018 10:58:17 AM
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Hive Knight on Titan

I was replaying the adventure "Deathless" and it made me realize that it's a necromantic practice. This defied the sword logic. I assume at this time Nokris and Xol are still frozen on Mars so does this mean there are other necromancers?
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  • Edited by Kell of Rain: 8/3/2018 12:29:39 PM
    Hive resurrection is a lot more common than Ana Bray would have you believe. Whether it's hiding one's death, having your soul rerouted to your Throne, undoing one's death personally, bringing others back through your might/magic, or making a pact with Xol, the Hive have been comming back from beyond the Veil for eons. They thrive on death and undeath, Ana just doesn't know anything about translating Hive apocrypha or understanding their social implications. Xol's resurrection isn't so much forbidden as it is simply tasteless in it's implementation, it takes no might or skill if your power is sourced from someone other than yourself. Even though betrayal of the Sword Logic is heretical to the Hive, Knights do so whenever they summon their shield. Oryx didn't crack down on this (unless he took one) because nothing is sacred to the Hive, not even their Sword Logic. Oryx only punished Nokris because he wasn't going to have that kind of disrespect in his family. Nokris was already banished even before he conducted the resurrection ritual, meaning Oryx was probobly testing his resolve and tenacity by sending him out into the world on his own, like he did with Crota. What Nokris did would be akin to if your teacher gave you a test and instead of you taking it, you spit on the paper, threw it back in your teachers face and flipped your desk as you left the classroom. You could see why Oryx would be upset with him.

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    • The Hive do this sort of thing a lot, which is why it's frustrating that they don't differentiate between normal resurrection and heretical resurrection anywhere. Oryx's daughters took turns gutting each other and coming back in order to better understand death. Oryx himself brought his sisters back after their "true death," which is just as antithetical to the sword logic as Nokris's necromancy. Oryx may have justified it with the idea that he was strong enough to bend the universe to his will, therefore it wasn't heretical, but like... Then the same could be said for Nokris, who changed the course of death with his will and magic.

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    • The Hive are a bunch of hypocrites, Oryx too. If he believed what died should stay dead...then his ass should have killed himself after Savathun knifed him. . Please stop talking about Nokris too. Still a lame ass disappointment.

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    • I replayed this as well and realised that Xol is most likely still kicking around, and I know he’s in the whisper, but I think he has a bigger role to play

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      • This is the Sword Logic in its purest form. “I’ll keep killing you and you won’t die for you to grow stronger”.

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      • It actually doesn't defy anything. Sword Logic is basically "I killed you because I'm stronger, and therefore have more right to live." The Hive regularly use resurrection, and use the knowledge they learned from their death to become better.

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        • Masson conspiracy confirmed.

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        • I don't really keep up with lore, but there is a scannable on Titan and your ghost mentions that there is something big below the water. Maybe it's Xol or something similar?

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          • Illuminati confirmed

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