crucible will never be taken serious without dedicated servers. P2P is a joke!!!

Two shite dlcs, no grind for weapons or armour. Light means nothing really. Clan rewards grant high level gear for practically nothing along with raid and trials weapons without even participating. We’ve still got teamshooting, high ttk, no solo playlist and no choice of what game type we can play. We have 2 useful primaries and a handful of decent close range weapons. There’s far too much heavy ammo adding to the shite we call pvp.

Either they're simply unqualified or have been overidden in decision making to follow Activision's guidelines to how PvP should be handled in today's modern climate. They lost their way in D1 Y2 around the same period SBMM was introduced, I don't believe this was coincedence as I belive it went hand in hand with Eververse implementation for MTX. SBMM in many ways was intended to keep population numbers consistent from those who would have otherwise dropped out from PvP completely, so to increase potential and max audience size for MTX over a period where a majority were dissatisfied with PvP based on their endgame result screen, SBMM was NEEDED. It kinda backfired in many ways as policies that affected SBMM made its way into gameplay design changes that made the quality of the game worse. Things like removing stat tracking on this site, removing k/d on PvP endgame screen, making KD/A more significant than K/D were all hand in hand decisions that were pre-actively made for a REASON and thats just touching the surface. Actual in game changes where implemented as well. If you look at the remade D1 maps to D2, you can see reduced sightlines were intentional to demote long range engagement and more skillful manipulation of how engagements were to be made that encouraged more CQB style fighting which promotes a more 1:1 tradeoff outcome and more opportunity for death for spree based players. They removed spree bonus point rewards affecting end game scoring that existed in D1 to discourage individuals going on sprees as a factor in victory. They also punish more skill based avenues such as sniper play by nerfing so many elements of it from its utility to its effectiveness in all maps, I could write another paragraph on and so on and so on to do with nerfing mobility and escape opportunites and thats a pivital design reason to why super regens are kept longer, to reduce effective counter to 'certain death trigger escapes' and force 'free kills' for anyone or any ability facing any opponent regardless of skill level. These design changes all went hand in hand and were not as all coincidence or a result of incompetence, in fact they were LOGICALLY in line with each other that its only sensible to assume that it was in every way INTENTIONAL. It was done in EVERY way to dumb down the game. To make sure lower tier and mid tier players had more chance in achieving better end game performance on the final screen to increase their personal satisfaction ratings and this was being done not just to keep the player base content to reduce community outrage but to keep them invested so more people would potentially be customers for Eververse and MTX, as its shown in modern videogame culture that cosmetic purchases fall in line with long term PvP play. Since PvE would affect this, they need more players attached to the PvP side as well to encourage that portion spending. It's not a conspiracy when the notion of 'follow the money' exist with an entity such as Activision. The evidence is all there, but very few are willing to see and connect the dots to see how greed / MTX has a first hand effect in affecting gameplay because on many levels, having a more complex game is actually more scary for the community who wants it but won't take the responsibility of the challenges that may come with it if they don't meet its requirements at an exceptional level. It's like the idea that everyone wants an amazing relationship, but very few are actually able to be the person capable of maintaining it on their end. They love the idea of it but it's consequence in reality is telling of something else.That's what this community is, they want a more complex Destiny but in reality if Destiny was more complex so would the increase in outrage, if you keep things more predictable, stable and boring, there's less topics to be outraged and less diversity in opinion, and that is the more attractive outcome for a corporation such as Activision and the current Bungie mentality of playing the little brother to corporate big daddy mindset. People hoping that another sandbox team can change and fix all this are disillusioned, they're not out to fix a system they don't think is broken. In fact its largely working as intended for the most part. Meta discussion and forum outrage on PvP have not reached D1 Y1 levels at all, despite the known collective PvP community largely agreeing that D1 Y1's PvP was Destiny's PvP at it's most engaging, with the population numbers to prove it. That's the trade off Activision is making right now, less of a return to D1 despite its popularity for a more consistent resulted and less publicly outraged handling of PvP. The next expansion is promising and marketing change as a way to suck in the old base again, it was not at all intended to go back to the D1 style of gameplay for decisions such as quality of the game but rather with the mindset of renewing interest for past customers. On another note it's also why I believe at its core, D2's next expansion won't change the power creep much but just enough on a superficial level to bait the potential players who need marketing to convince them otherwise for a buy-in. Once the players make the purchase, any promise beforehand doesn't need to be fulfilled as they're not contractually obligated to fulfill it, they have LIVED off this tactic for years and is ultimately why Activision is SHADY AF and Bungie too for complying. The FACT that people here in this community think ActiBungie are going to change this time round is just comedic at this point. They do this because it works and they won't stop because players simply BELIEVE or HOPE they will. Why would they? If you're a dishonest company and you're making bank without any legal repercussions, WHY NOT continue what works? Remember you're DISHONEST, so of course you don't care about fulfilling obligations on your part as long as the money is rolling in and there's no legal backlash that discourages you from maintaining the status quo.

Hamrick was the one who decided to remove special ammo after each death in D1's final update which IMO is the worst update in any game's history. Bungie then promoted Hamrick to lead sandbox dev for D2 which explains how awful it is. We asked for a faster TTK across the board similar to D1 but instead of "we're listening" they gave us 1 weapon that kills faster than all the rest. Players also asked that radar not extend out as far but instead of "we're listening" they removed it altogether in Trials and "comp". See a pattern here? There's no fine tuning with this team. They go from one extreme to another or come up with something that nobody wanted.

This graph is solid proof that PvP was best during TTK, as there appears to be the least player drain during that time. Although, it is pretty erratic as well.

Bungie is a joke.

The ones that did Halo are no longer there. The guys you mentioned are way out of touch with reality, and are content to pat each other on the back all day long. I heard them on a podcast 2 years ago, they said they weren't buffing a subclass the community thought was weak(stats backed it up as being poor), because a guy in their studio used to beat everyone when he used it. That's right use 1 persons data over that of hundreds of thousands. If those clowns continue to stay in charge it ain't gonna get any better.

Okay, to add some context to the OP’s topic, he’s talking specifically about Crucible Radio podcast Ep. 155 - Bungie talks Pt. 2, which in all fairness does reek of arrogance and condescension. They also openly admit that they were hoping that Destiny would become more of an E-sport. However, there is a Pt. 1 to this podcast ( Ep. 154 ) where they do seem a lot more humble, or at least willing to discuss how Destiny 2 ended up in the state it was in. Overall, I’d say that Ep. 154 is definitely worth a listen.

Stay cool, Anthem is coming. Fuk pvp

BUMP. Nobody like their shitty current crucible sandbox and it’s pathetic that it has been over 9 months without a SINGLE balancing patch, faster TTK, better sandbox, etc. Unless you want to count the “Go Fast Update”, there terrible PvP have been in the same horrible state it’s been in since launch.

It all went downhill with the release of Trials of Osiris. From that point on everything was nerfed to hell. And the focus to pvp balancing became rampant. Don’t believe me? Ask yourselves, how many things in Destiny from the release of trials was nerfed because of PVE outcry? I can name two; elemental primaries and ghallarhorn, everything else? Nerfed for the sake of balancing pvp. To give examples as theres far too many. I’ll go ahead and say Auto rifles in Vanilla, fusion rifles, hand cannons, thorn, last word, blade dancer, shoulder charge, final round snipers, special ammo, grenades across the board, ttk across the board, shotguns, and many more. And because Bungie refuses to separate pvp and pve, PVE has suffered tremendously ever since because overall we keep getting weaker. How hard is it to instead buff whats weaker, rather than nerfing what’s dominant to the ground? I just find it ironic how Bungie seems to be all about balance and yet the entirety of our arsenal is dictated because of one half of the game. And I’m being generous by insinuating pvp is “ half of the game”. I’m not saying that it needs to go, but something needs to change. And there has to be a definitive balance between PVE and PVP because this is ridiculous.