Reposted from the reach forum on request
First off, I am extremely glad Bungie decided to do what they did. By altering the canon a bit, they have exposed the playerbase to a character that truly connects the games to the books; connects all things Halo together. There was always a barrier separating the lore of the books and the lore of the games. The games never made any serious references from the books. There were quotes and homages, but no one ever said "this happened and this is who said it". The books may as well have not existed for all the connection they had to the games.
But no more. Dr. Halsey is probably the most important person in the entirety of Halo, right right up there with MC and Cortana. She existed in the books before she existed in the game, so the decision to have her play a major role in the game removes the barrier and makes the entire series feel much more complete and connected. They had to do a little bit of retconing in order to make this happen, but in my opinion the changes are all completely worth it, and only really changes events that happen directly during the battle of reach; 98% of the book the Fall of Reach is still completely legitimate and canonical.
1. In the books Dr. Halsey did not know who/what the Spartan-IIIs were until after Reach fell. While Halsey is the creator of the spartan program, she had no involvement in the approval and upbringing of the S-IIIs, it was all done under her nose.
In the game this is still completely true. Reading through Halseys Journal reveals that she was unaware who everyone on Noble team was minus Jorge. She had some strong leads as to another younger generation of spartans but never any hard facts until after Reach fell (ghosts of onyx). Sadly the journal...or anywhere else does NOT reveal how Jorge ended up working with noble team.
2. IN the books, cortana was aboard the pillar of autumn when reach was attacked. Also, the POA never went planet side, it was fighting in space during battle. Also, the coordinates to the Halo ring were found on the fly right before the jump. They were based on the forerunner crystal MC and co found on Cote d'azur at an earlier date.
This is still mostly true. Halseys journal states that the discovery near sword base on reach required some powerful computing power. She needed cortanas expertise to divulge the secrets that the forerunner artifacts contained. She also knew Blue team needed here expertise for their high risk mission they were preparing for. SO she split Cortana into two parts, blue team keeping one, and Halsey keeping the other. The part Halsey kept contained all her data analysis power, and that is what she used to figure out the secrets of the forerunner artifacts. When both parts were reunited, thanks to Noble 6, Master Chiefs section of cortana would update herself with all the data that Halseys piece had. So while noble team is indeed transporting cortana, they weren't transporting all of cortana. This is detailed in her journal.
3. The dead spartans littering the ground during the mission Lone Wolf are Spartan-IIs. They belong to what we know as "red team" (more on that later). Red team consisted of 26 or so spartans and there was only an official death for a handful of them on Reach (other than "died on reach" that is). I found it very fitting that noble 6 makes his last stand amongst his brothers. They could not have been S-IIIs because noble team were the only S-IIIs to be outfitted with Mjolnir mk V armor.
4. It is assumed Jun dies along the way to castle base. I suppose in the new can it is entirely possible to say he survives though. In First Strike Halsey was rescued from castle base by members of Red team and Jun is never mention. However First strike is apparently slated to be re-released, so Jun could theoretically be included. Until we have the new book to say otherwise, we can unofficially say he died, as that's what the books, for now, say.
5. The most important change is the length of the battle. In the books it lasted about a day, but in the game it lasts 2 weeks plus noble teams actions against the scouting force. To organize all this I made a timeline with all the relevant information included.
Aug 13th - Noble team discovers that the scouting party they had been engaging in facr belongs to a full sized invasion force belonging to a cloaked covenant super-carrier. The fact the the covenant are on Reach and attempting to invade it is no longer a secret the UNSC are trying to keep under wraps. In response to the threat, the UNSC decides to send 60% of the ENTIRE navy to combat the super carrier and any other potential threats. Their eta is 48 hours.
Aug 14th - Noble team succeeds in destroy the super carrier. Shortly after the real invasion force arrives at reach. Over 300 covenant ships arrive to destroy the planet.
Aug 15th - By now, 60% of the UNSC fleet has arrived and is fighting for Reach. It can be assumed that the Pillar of Autumn as well as Master Chief and his spartan-IIs arrive around this time as well.
Aug 23rd - Jun makes the comment "Is it true that gauntlet, red and echo teams are assigned to civilian evac ops?". Kat says "All I'm saying is why put spartans on defensive deployments?". Obviously gauntlet, red and echo teams are spartan teams. We know in the book that red team consisted of all the spartan-IIs minus MC, linda and james, but the read team in the book was also made under different circumstances; a fight that only lasted a day as opposed to weeks. It can be assumed that instead of splitting the spartans into two teams (Red and Blue), Master Chief split them into four teams, Red, Blue, Gauntlet and Echo. Since they were fighting for 2 weeks then it would make sense that they would be in smaller more self sufficient team so they can cover more of the planet and do more missions. Note that Jun mentioned this on August 23rd, so we have undeniable proof that the spartan-IIs had been fighting at least since the 23rd, but it is safe to assume that they had been doing missions (both on and off planet) since the 15th, when the UNSC fleet arrived.
Aug 27th - Dr Halsey recalls all the still living spartan-IIs to her location on Reach in order to discuss their final battle plans for their suicide mission to destroy the covenant heirarchy. This is detailed in her journal.
Aug 28th through Aug 30th - Dr. Halsey and Cortana divulge the true meanings of the symbols beneath reach. By cross referencing them with the symbols that MC and co had dug up on cote d'azur, they discovered something of great importance: Halo. They did not know what Halo was, but they did know that the covenant wanted it, which was why it was so important that they figure out its secrets. With the planet falling to pieces and communcation severely limited however, she had no way of getting cortanas data on this revelation to Keyes or John herself. In comes noble team. She (or cortana rather) manages to "trick" them in to coming to her in order to get the data to the right hands. The death of most of the spartan-IIs as well as the potential of the halo ring means they call of the spartan-IIs original missions in lieu of the discovery.
Concluding....
That's that. Now that bungie has introduced the non-book crowd to Dr. Halsey, they have opened the lid of halo lore to the masses. In future game we won't have to settle for minor homages to the books, they might flat out mention stuff in the books like it actually happened! The connection will continue to grow and Halo will turn into the giant massive seamless universe I always wanted it to be. I wish it was done sooner however, I personally feel that the lack of a connection between book and game hindered halo 2 and 3 a bit. I envision a Halo 3 where John is reunited with the surviving members of red team before they head for the ark but...that's just wishful thinking now. I wish bungie could make one more Halo game but alas, for them it is over. Thank you bungie.
PS - Ironically Jorge is the only member of noble team who is actually MIA as he could technically be alive. Those of you who have read "The Impossible Life and the Possible Death of Preston J. Cole" might just understand why.
[Edited on 09.17.2010 3:58 PM PDT]
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Those dead Spartans are definately -III's. Red/Blue team used default Mk. 5 in green. The dead Spartans are also Spartan-III size. So yeah. They're -III's, which suggests that more S-III's were fighting on Reach.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker The SPARTANs mentioned by Kat cannot be S-IIIs. Other than Noble Team, all of Alpha and Beta Company(S-IIIs) were killed. Gamma Company was deployed several weeks after the Fall of Reach. So, yes, they are S-IIs. edit: Switch makes a good point about S-IIIs being pulled, but I'm hesistant to think [b]all[/b] of those spare Spartans were somehow pulled back in time to defend Reach. Also a good point is the randomized MJOLNIR armor(Though I vaguely recall something about Red Team needing to use prototype parts because theirs' were damaged. Could account for that.)[/quote] Keep in mind that up until the release of Reach's media and the [i]Headhunters[/i] story we were led to believe that all Spartan IIIs from Alpha and Beta, obviously excluding Tom and Lucy, were dead, but this is clearly not the case. Much more of each company either survived or were pulled than initially thought. As for Red Team's armour, is there not something in [i]First Strike[/i] about Halsey meeting the Spartans and despite them all wearing [u]identical armour[/u] she is able to differentiate between them?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rouge Bionic Fly why do you guys care its just the story line to a game. Try -blam!-ing about something remotely important[/quote] Why do you do anything that you enjoy? You should just be working a second job to earn more money. Seriously, why have you even played Halo? Why aren't you doing something with your life?
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why do you guys care its just the story line to a game. Try -blam!-ing about something remotely important
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The SPARTANs mentioned by Kat cannot be S-IIIs. Other than Noble Team, all of Alpha and Beta Company(S-IIIs) were killed. Gamma Company was deployed several weeks after the Fall of Reach. So, yes, they are S-IIs. edit: Switch makes a good point about S-IIIs being pulled, but I'm hesistant to think [b]all[/b] of those spare Spartans were somehow pulled back in time to defend Reach. Also a good point is the randomized MJOLNIR armor(Though I vaguely recall something about Red Team needing to use prototype parts because theirs' were damaged. Could account for that.) [Edited on 09.19.2010 1:03 AM PDT]
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The events may have happened but the time and circumstances that they happened and the context is completey different. Unless you honestly believe that even though 60% of the UNSC fleet knew about the invasion (were assuming the entire fleet knew but only 60% was able to be en route, cant sacrifice EVERYTHING), but the pillar of autumn and all the spartans were completely unaware until 2 weeks later. And the idea of that is so crazy I could never believe it, and if bungie themselves said "it's true" I would loathe that completely because it's just completely dumb.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv I'm of the opinion that Gaunlet, Red and Echo teams are Spartan III Spec Ops teams working under Holland similar to Noble Team. Firstly, we already know that the Spartan II Red Team was not assigned to evacuation defence, they were defending the MAC generators. "Red Team" is a common military designation and is by no means exclusive to the Spartan IIs, however, the Spartan IIs have always used colour code designations which "Gauntlet" and "Echo" are most certainly not. I believe this reinforces the point that these teams are groups of Spartan IIIs and not IIs. Add in Kippa's comment about Noble reacting as if they [i]knew[/i] those teams and not simply knew [i]of[/i] them and you have a solid argument. [/quote] the battle for reach from TFOR has zero meaning any more, it is completely 100% no longer a valid source of info, and as such saying you already know what red team was doing based off of it is...silly.[/quote]nothing has contradicted red teams involvement in the battle so it still happened
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its funny I just went on this forum to post the same thing. Good job, it really explaines all the canical errors with minimal retconing
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv I'm of the opinion that Gaunlet, Red and Echo teams are Spartan III Spec Ops teams working under Holland similar to Noble Team. Firstly, we already know that the Spartan II Red Team was not assigned to evacuation defence, they were defending the MAC generators. "Red Team" is a common military designation and is by no means exclusive to the Spartan IIs, however, the Spartan IIs have always used colour code designations which "Gauntlet" and "Echo" are most certainly not. I believe this reinforces the point that these teams are groups of Spartan IIIs and not IIs. Add in Kippa's comment about Noble reacting as if they [i]knew[/i] those teams and not simply knew [i]of[/i] them and you have a solid argument. [/quote] the battle for reach from TFOR has zero meaning any more, it is completely 100% no longer a valid source of info, and as such saying you already know what red team was doing based off of it is...silly.[/quote] Until something directly contradicts Red Team's story from FoR there is no reason to assume it has changed. Just because Reach's campaign played out like it did does not mean that the events of FoR did not happen.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv I'm of the opinion that Gaunlet, Red and Echo teams are Spartan III Spec Ops teams working under Holland similar to Noble Team. Firstly, we already know that the Spartan II Red Team was not assigned to evacuation defence, they were defending the MAC generators. "Red Team" is a common military designation and is by no means exclusive to the Spartan IIs, however, the Spartan IIs have always used colour code designations which "Gauntlet" and "Echo" are most certainly not. I believe this reinforces the point that these teams are groups of Spartan IIIs and not IIs. Add in Kippa's comment about Noble reacting as if they [i]knew[/i] those teams and not simply knew [i]of[/i] them and you have a solid argument. [/quote] the battle for reach from TFOR has zero meaning any more, it is completely 100% no longer a valid source of info, and as such saying you already know what red team was doing based off of it is...silly.
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I'm of the opinion that Gaunlet, Red and Echo teams are Spartan III Spec Ops teams working under Holland similar to Noble Team. Firstly, we already know that the Spartan II Red Team was not assigned to evacuation defence, they were defending the MAC generators. "Red Team" is a common military designation and is by no means exclusive to the Spartan IIs, however, the Spartan IIs have always used colour code designations which "Gauntlet" and "Echo" are most certainly not. I believe this reinforces the point that these teams are groups of Spartan IIIs and not IIs. Add in Kippa's comment about Noble reacting as if they [i]knew[/i] those teams and not simply knew [i]of[/i] them and you have a solid argument. Further evidence, comes in the form of Kurt's transmission to Mendez and Holland's report on Emile: Kurt held back 1.08% of Beta Company (excluding Kat) from TORPEDO and certain death, that is three Spartan IIIs. He also noted that he was planning on sending two more S-170 and S-091, on long term recon, presumably to save them also. That's five. Holland noted that he was thinking about rotating S-344 into Emile's place in Noble. This is important for three reasons: 1. S-344 would have to be on Reach in order to do this, 2. "rotate" means that he would have to come from somewhere i.e another team, 3. 344 is obviously another Spartan III who survived his/her company's destruction, making six. Based on these pieces of information there is the potential for another six man squad of IIIs like Noble and I am of the opinion that they are one of the teams referred to by Jun. To account for the other two teams (12 Spartans) one has to do a reasonable amount of speculation and leaps of logic but the ranks can theoretically be filled. For example, there were 17(?) Headhunters at the "program's height". Obviously using this term suggests that number has decreased over time. This decrease could be due to deaths, which is the case in the four Headhunters from the short story, but a number of them could have been reassigned to Holland's squads, much like Noble 6 was reassigned from elsewhere. We already know Kurt withheld Spartans from Alpha as well as Beta (Carter, Emile) so there is the possibility that he saved enough to fill up a third and fourth Spec Ops team, also factoring in any survivors who may have been listed KIA/MIA. Lastly, the bodies seen during [i]Lone Wolf[/i] are not Spartan II Red Team. This is clear due to the fact that the IIs of Red wore standard, non-customised variants of MJOLNIR Mk. V, and the Spartans seen during this mission are obviously wearing numerous other variants, consistent with Noble's squad based approach. These Spartans are found in the shipyards which was noted by Dot to have been the last safe evac point on the continent. This being the case, any evacuees would have passed through there and one or more of team's Gaunlet, Red and Echo would have been there as ordered to protect said evacuees. Anyway, after this longer than I expected post my point is that the three teams mentioned are Spartan IIIs [b]not[/b] Spartan IIs and those are the bodies seen at the end. [Edited on 09.18.2010 10:45 AM PDT]
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I hear what I hear, who say's they're SIIs? EDIT: My first reaction to that was that the SPARTANS they talked about were other SIIIs. That was just a complete first reaction though. In an effort to support that reaction: Noble Team obviously knew of SIIs and their victories, them being public figures. But SIIs don't know about them at all. The way they talk about those teams, there seems to be a level of comradery that I would expect from two groups of people that know one another. This is obviously just pure assumption and impression, but thats the vibe I got. [Edited on 09.18.2010 4:48 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kippa To the OP, I agree that the journal does make a lot of inconsistancies seem more palpable, but it's definitely not air tight. You yourself took liberities that are, at this stage in time, not at all needed. For example [quote]Obviously gauntlet, red and echo teams are spartan teams. We know in the book that red team consisted of all the spartan-IIs minus MC, linda and james, but the read team in the book was also made under different circumstances; a fight that only lasted a day as opposed to weeks. It can be assumed that instead of splitting the spartans into two teams (Red and Blue), Master Chief split them into four teams, Red, Blue, Gauntlet and Echo.[/quote] I can't think of one single reason why this is a fair assumption. Considering how butchered the canon is at the moment, those teams could have been SPARTAN IV's that had been newly trained by Sam and Fhajad.[/quote]I'm sure that someone (Kat or more likely Emile) said that 'using SPARTANS for evacuation wasn't necessary' or WTTE (by no means a direct quote). [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_4fot4Fn9M]Here, at 45 seconds in[/url] *SPOILER* - Jun speaks about the teams, then Carter interjects, that they are 'secure communiques' and Kat cuts him off - 'I hear what I hear'. She then says "Why put SPARTANS on defensive deployment". Certainly supports that Gauntlet, Echo and Red teams are SPARTANS, but obviously not which SPARTANS they are. [Edited on 09.18.2010 4:44 AM PDT]
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To the OP, I agree that the journal does make a lot of inconsistancies seem more palpable, but it's definitely not air tight. You yourself took liberities that are, at this stage in time, not at all needed. For example [quote]Obviously gauntlet, red and echo teams are spartan teams. We know in the book that red team consisted of all the spartan-IIs minus MC, linda and james, but the read team in the book was also made under different circumstances; a fight that only lasted a day as opposed to weeks. It can be assumed that instead of splitting the spartans into two teams (Red and Blue), Master Chief split them into four teams, Red, Blue, Gauntlet and Echo.[/quote] I can't think of one single reason why this is a fair assumption. Considering how butchered the canon is at the moment, those teams could have been SPARTAN IV's that had been newly trained by Sam and Fhajad. This thread hasn't helped save show a specific timeline that everyone should've figured out by themselves after playing the game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lozza [quote]Previous quotes above.[/quote] I really don't get it. The journal tries to put the two canon sources together, but still it doesn't make sense. One possible explanation could be that John and Cortana's training could of in fact happened on another planet in the same system as Reach. So ONI can keep the invasion secret to John. [/quote]Unfortunately not. They managed to secretly transport him off Reach, make a perfect replica of the SPARTANs 'playground', and even transport the bell from the Pillars of Loki that he rang over 35 years ago? Even ONI isn't that ridiculous. There are only two other planets in the Reach system AFAIK, Tribute (heavy industry) and Circumstance (universities and law courts). There are others, but one is a rich person's resort, 3 generally unknown planets and one gas giant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lozza [quote]Previous quotes above.[/quote] I really don't get it. The journal tries to put the two canon sources together, but still it doesn't make sense. One possible explanation could be that John and Cortana's training could of in fact happened on another planet in the same system as Reach. So ONI can keep the invasion secret to John. [/quote] Unless it's stated, we must defer to the original source of the canon, which is what causes more inconsistencies. It doesn't do anything to solve one or two, all must be retconned or the prior canon must be discarded in order for the whole to make sense.
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[quote]Previous quotes above.[/quote] I really don't get it. The journal tries to put the two canon sources together, but still it doesn't make sense. One possible explanation could be that John and Cortana's training could of in fact happened on another planet in the same system as Reach. So ONI can keep the invasion secret to John.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lozza [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty To say that the S-IIs were unaware that the covenant were invading by aug 27th (the day the meeting happened) would be daft. 60% of the entire UNSC fleet was alerted and en route to reach by the 13th. If the spartans were unaware even though 60% of the unsc fleet was...that just doesn't work out.[/quote] I would appreciate it if you could cite the page numbers if possible.[/quote] Its from the game, which takes precedence. Can't remember level names and I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's the cutscene where kat is going over the battle plan to head to the sabre launch facility. It takes place on august 13th.[/quote] Ok, so that is an inconsistency the game creates. See, the novels state on the 27th the S-IIs are meeting to discuss their mission to capture a High Prophet, and at that time, the S-IIs and everyone else have no knowledge the Covenant are on Reach. Except the game states that the Fleets are recalling to prevent the Fall of Reach on the 13th, so unless the game states something that redacts the Spartan meeting, it's a big glaring inconsistency.[/quote] Exoudus (The level when New Alexandria is invaded) takes place on August 23rd (A Solider also mentions that the city was under siege for 5 days), therefore when John arrives to train with Cortana, the covenant had been on Reac for 6 days. The sky is literately full of Covenant ships! How could this not be noticed? [/quote] Exactly. It's fine if the game wants to override canon, but it needs to either mend all inconsistencies or say the book is no longer canon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty To say that the S-IIs were unaware that the covenant were invading by aug 27th (the day the meeting happened) would be daft. 60% of the entire UNSC fleet was alerted and en route to reach by the 13th. If the spartans were unaware even though 60% of the unsc fleet was...that just doesn't work out.[/quote] I would appreciate it if you could cite the page numbers if possible.[/quote] Its from the game, which takes precedence. Can't remember level names and I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's the cutscene where kat is going over the battle plan to head to the sabre launch facility. It takes place on august 13th.[/quote] Ok, so that is an inconsistency the game creates. See, the novels state on the 27th the S-IIs are meeting to discuss their mission to capture a High Prophet, and at that time, the S-IIs and everyone else have no knowledge the Covenant are on Reach. Except the game states that the Fleets are recalling to prevent the Fall of Reach on the 13th, so unless the game states something that redacts the Spartan meeting, it's a big glaring inconsistency.[/quote] Exoudus (The level when New Alexandria is invaded) takes place on August 23rd (A Solider also mentions that the city was under siege for 5 days), therefore when John arrives to train with Cortana, the covenant had been on Reac for 6 days. The sky is literately full of Covenant ships! How could this not be noticed?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty To say that the S-IIs were unaware that the covenant were invading by aug 27th (the day the meeting happened) would be daft. 60% of the entire UNSC fleet was alerted and en route to reach by the 13th. If the spartans were unaware even though 60% of the unsc fleet was...that just doesn't work out.[/quote] I would appreciate it if you could cite the page numbers if possible.[/quote] Its from the game, which takes precedence. Can't remember level names and I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's the cutscene where kat is going over the battle plan to head to the sabre launch facility. It takes place on august 13th.[/quote] Ok, so that is an inconsistency the game creates. See, the novels state on the 27th the S-IIs are meeting to discuss their mission to capture a High Prophet, and at that time, the S-IIs and everyone else have no knowledge the Covenant are on Reach. Except the game states that the Fleets are recalling to prevent the Fall of Reach on the 13th, so unless the game states something that redacts the Spartan meeting, it's a big glaring inconsistency.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty To say that the S-IIs were unaware that the covenant were invading by aug 27th (the day the meeting happened) would be daft. 60% of the entire UNSC fleet was alerted and en route to reach by the 13th. If the spartans were unaware even though 60% of the unsc fleet was...that just doesn't work out.[/quote] I would appreciate it if you could cite the page numbers if possible.[/quote] Its from the game, which takes precedence. Can't remember level names and I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's the cutscene where kat is going over the battle plan to head to the sabre launch facility. It takes place on august 13th.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty To say that the S-IIs were unaware that the covenant were invading by aug 27th (the day the meeting happened) would be daft. 60% of the entire UNSC fleet was alerted and en route to reach by the 13th. If the spartans were unaware even though 60% of the unsc fleet was...that just doesn't work out.[/quote] I would appreciate it if you could cite the page numbers if possible.
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To say that the S-IIs were unaware that the covenant were invading by aug 27th (the day the meeting happened) would be daft. 60% of the entire UNSC fleet was alerted and en route to reach by the 13th. If the spartans were unaware even though 60% of the unsc fleet was...that just doesn't work out.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hysterical Joker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JobeTheConqueror Please don't reference the Halopedia for anything. Source books only please. We have enough canon issues to discuss without having to deal with the armada of errors and stupidity that plague Halopedia. It's not a good source of anything.[/quote] Edited some more things in to clarify my point, if the dates do not line up, feel free to correct me. I currently don't have the time presently to double check Halo: Reach and TFoR to confirm. In any case, the S-IIs convene to meet and discuss their mission to capture a Prophet, yet they and the public are unaware that the Covenant have come to Reach when Noble has already destroyed a Covenant Supercruiser as well as the subsequent and prior engagements.[/quote] Not saying what you said was at all inaccurate or wrong in any other way. Just giving you a rule of thumb. Halopedia is always unreliable, so you really shouldn't use it when trying to figure out anything with the story.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JobeTheConqueror Please don't reference the Halopedia for anything. Source books only please. We have enough canon issues to discuss without having to deal with the armada of errors and stupidity that plague Halopedia. It's not a good source of anything.[/quote] Edited some more things in to clarify my point, if the dates do not line up, feel free to correct me. I currently don't have the time presently to double check Halo: Reach and TFoR to confirm. In any case, the S-IIs convene to meet and discuss their mission to capture a Prophet, yet they and the public are unaware that the Covenant have come to Reach when Noble has already destroyed a Covenant Supercruiser as well as the subsequent and prior engagements.
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Please don't reference the Halopedia for anything. Source books only please. We have enough canon issues to discuss without having to deal with the armada of errors and stupidity that plague Halopedia. It's not a good source of anything.