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9/17/2010 5:02:17 AM
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Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Here is a compilation of errors that we, the universe elite, have created in light of Halo: Reach's launch. Note, that this is STILL a work in progress, and will be upgraded as new breaks are located. [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Reach was invaded on July 24th. [b]Proof:[/b] All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th. [b]Sources:[/b]Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach. [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive. [b]Proof:[/b] Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components. The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of [i]every Spartan-III on the asteroid[/i] because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion. Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on [i]how[/i] they escaped at all. [b]Sources: [/b] - Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87. - Halo Reach [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] ONI's actions as well as the Cole Protocol. According to the Cole Protocol, if any Covenant Forces are detected, then all NAV bases and ships should purge their computers of information to protect Earth and the inner colonies. [b]Proof:[/b]If Covenant are detected on Reach on July 23rd, how is it that a month later, there are still computers with information to Earth still active? If ONI hadn't taken more than a month, than Blue team wouldn't have been deployed to the Circumference, and James wouldn't have died, and Linda wouldn't have been in a coma. Infact, they would have been on Reach with Red team. Sources: Pg 289 of The Fall of Reach gives information on the purging of Info not complete. [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/United_Nations_Space_Command_Emerg ency_Priority_Order_098831A-1[/url] [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/B] Carter, Emile, and Jun's age. Carter is born in 2520. He was 11 years old when Alpha Company began their training. This puts him 5 years above the previously stated age, and it makes no sense at all. Why would they have an 11 year old on the same training regime as a 4 year old? It's too large of a difference, and it's an error that can be avoiding by simply changing his birthdate. This same thing goes for Emile and Jun, who are older than 6 years old at Alpha training. [b]Proof:[/b] Page 69(I'm doing this by memory, I may be wrong.) of Ghosts of Oynx states that all of Alpha Company was comprised of 4, 5, and 6 year old children that he was going to have to forge into the best warriors humanity has ever seen. [b]Source:[/b] Ghosts of Oynx, page 69. [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Lack of Orbital MAC's. [b]Proof:[/b] Reach had a number of Orbital MAC's that were used in the battle of Reach. They were present on August 30th, so they should have been present during the mission "Long Night of Solace" in Halo: Reach. Had they been present, they Jorge wouldn't have died. Where were they? [B]Source:[/b] Fall of Reach, First Strike, Halo: Reach [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Pillar of Autumn on Reach. [b]Proof[/b] During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened. Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet? [b]Sources:[/b] Halo: Reach, Fall of Reach [u]Special Thanks:[/u] -ajw23207 -MOB74656 -xXFatal v1 -opog -Kippa If I've missed any errors, please, point them out. I'll add them to the OP, or try to explain them. Also, if you have any explanation to these canon errors, please, explain how they fit into canon, and the sources. [Edited on 09.16.2010 9:03 PM PDT]

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  • Errors in halo? whod'a thunkit

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    the weapons are better in reach than in halo ce

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makko Mace I wonder if anyone has stayed with this thread from page one.[/quote] Me, i just didn't pay too much attention to it for awhile

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Error #6: Pillar of Autumn on Reach. The only way people can even argue this as an error is with the "not rated for atmosphere" argument, which is not really an effective argument.[/quote]Are you serious? The Autumn was not even supposed to be on Reach at all. The argument has been made a thousand times over and Caboose does a fine job of stating it in the OP so I'm just going to quote him. [quote]This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened. Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet? [/quote]As he says it completely ruins the storyline of the novel.

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  • I wonder if anyone has stayed with this thread from page one.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rogoku98985 But really, why go in to so much detail reading the books when you can just enjoy the game and get the same effects.[/quote]You've got no idea what you're talking about.

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  • The list is kind of misleading... as there are hundreds of more, unlisted errors.

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  • My goodness, 3000 replies? Ridiculous. Is that a record?

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  • Having just read tFoR a week ago, I'm really annoyed by Halo: Reach. Sure I knew what generally happened before reading it, but to actually experience what happened in contrast to what Bungie said happened, well it was just shocking. Have the issues in the OP been addressed yet? I've read the last maybe 20 pages out of boredom, and it doesn't seem like it...

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  • Ok. Maybe because I'm new to the whole "Halo Canon" that I don't get this but can't some of these be solved REALLY EASILY. For the Jun and Carter and Emile issue. Who said they were on the asteriod? And with Master Cheif being on the Autmn Who said that he wasn't always there as a backup plan? He was in cyro sleep. But really, why go in to so much detail reading the books when you can just enjoy the game and get the same effects. Heres the list from first to last in how they happened Halo Wars Halo Reach Halo CE/Anniversary Halo 2 Halo 3 ODST Halo 3 Halo 4 Don't get why that,s so hard.

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  • It was explained that the covenant themselves learnt english in a scene where all comms went dark, then a San'Shyuum appeared on screens speaking english. The covenant got there first so presumably UNSC stole and reversed a translation matrix later on. Apparantly however the covenant speak english so that the humans understand their threats and their doom approaching.

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  • That would explain it I guess.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tr sargent I was playing Halo CE recently and noticed the grunts speak some English.How come these grunts speak english,yet the ones on Reach (just a tiny bit before Halo CE,apparently) speak no english whatsoever? Not sure if this a proper error (as I'm basing this off the games)but I'm just wondering.[/quote] I believe in the beginning of the fall of reach(its been a while since i read the books so I'm not sure), they mention a newly issued translator. That or Cortona (who is directly in 117's mind) is translating the Unggoy's speech as he hears it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] baronvonkickass Most of them were explained though. I don't feel like explaining it to a troll though. *pulls out greatsword +30 damage to trolls[/quote] Like what? Last time, I recall that most of "errors" was never explained at all. Journal did not help that much. It is still full of errors. Rest assured, we are not trolls. Do trolls discuss in intelligent discussion and maintain proper debates? I think not. It is not fair to call us troll because of "complaining" about canon breakers in Halo: Reach. [Edited on 09.06.2011 7:32 AM PDT]

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  • Their game their story

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  • Most of the errors you pointed out are right, but canon does also say that some S-IIIs were pulled from their companies and went on to become headhunter teams. This would have saved them from PROMETHEUS.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tr sargent I was playing Halo CE recently and noticed the grunts speak some English.How come these grunts speak english,yet the ones on Reach (just a tiny bit before Halo CE,apparently) speak no english whatsoever? Not sure if this a proper error (as I'm basing this off the games)but I'm just wondering.[/quote] It's to make the Covenant more alien to us, making them seem like barbaric monsters hellbent on our destruction....or maybe they were bored.

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  • Most of them were explained though. I don't feel like explaining it to a troll though. *pulls out greatsword +30 damage to trolls

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  • I was playing Halo CE recently and noticed the grunts speak some English.How come these grunts speak english,yet the ones on Reach (just a tiny bit before Halo CE,apparently) speak no english whatsoever? Not sure if this a proper error (as I'm basing this off the games)but I'm just wondering. [Edited on 09.04.2011 5:16 PM PDT]

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  • If the ODPs couldn't turn they would be useless. To aim that super MAC it has to be aimed at a target with precision accuracy. [Edited on 09.04.2011 3:49 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] otterboyz the cole protocol, as seen [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=intel&cid=27031]here[/url] only applies to space vessels and space facilities, so everything could have already of been purged on the 24th, the circumference could of easily had the date of the hack attempt by cortana moved back to an earlier date [/quote] Or it arrived at Reach late into the fighting at some point when it wouldn't have to purge its NAV Data just to jump into the system, and then it gets erased because of Cortana poking around. And then because it doesn't exist and because they're caught by surprise by the appearance of the [i]Fleet of Particular Justice[/i] and because the [i]Circumference[/i] "doesn't exist" it isn't discovered that it wasn't purge until almost too late.

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  • the cole protocol, as seen [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=intel&cid=27031]here[/url] only applies to space vessels and space facilities, so everything could have already of been purged on the 24th, the circumference could of easily had the date of the hack attempt by cortana moved back to an earlier date

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tabby1234 It's surprising to see just how many errors have been made to what extent...these are silly errors that could have been easily not made...[/quote] The thing is more than half of what the OP has listed have all ready been resolved by Bungie, and thus are no longer, or the solutions are something ridiculously obvious and easy to see.[/quote] No, Bungie hasn't explained ANY of these errors. [/quote] Um yes they have, at [i]least[/i] half of the errors in your OP have had some sort of solution provided, or is something that just doesn't need an official solution because it is something the fans can figure out for themselves and/or doesn't affect the story in absolutely any way whatsoever. Or it's your good old fashioned ret-con and thus doesn't need an explanation and only conflicts if one refuses to acknowledge that an aspect of a story has been ret-conned. Error #1: Reach was invaded on July 24th. I'd probably chock this one up to ret-con, though it is something one can find their own explanation for if they're still bothered. Error #2: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive. This one is explained [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24040]right here[/url]. Error #3: ONI's actions as well as the Cole Protocol. I am willing to give you this one. Though there are still quite a few plausible explanations that one can come up with to explain the [i]Circumference[/i]'s NAV Data requiring being purged. Error #4: Carter, Emile, and Jun's age. This doesn't even need explaining and has absolutely no affect on the story whatsoever. And it isn't even an error anyway, we know ages don't exactly correlate to how old the person actually is in Halo because of cryo sleep. Error #5: Lack of Orbital MAC's. Doesn't need an explanation. And besides which, planets are huge places, something as small (in comparison) as a SMAC station is not going to be seen unless you're close to it, which the LNoS was not. And the UNSC is not going to throw its most powerful defense stations carelessly at a colossal ship that would eat them for breakfast with absolutely no effort at all. And the game made it abundantly clear that the SMACs and all the rest of the ODPs were still there. In fact the day before Operation UPPERCUT Dot mentions that their orbital defenses are under attack, probably both via the generator complex and physically attacking the SMAC cluster itself. Since we don't know how that played out it is entirely possible that they may have momentarily been offlined and thus could not be used until they could be repaired. Error #6: Pillar of Autumn on Reach. The only way people can even argue this as an error is with the "not rated for atmosphere" argument, which is not really an effective argument.

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  • Yea reach doesn't make any sense when compared to fall of Reach, especially the time it took for Reach to Fall and the placement of where the last spartans and Masterchief were at what time. Like in Fall of Reach masterchief was never actually ON the planet reach when it was attacked just in a mac cannon but in reach he is on the planet in the Pillar. Also am I the only one pissed that Halo Wars has the flood in it 20 years before everything else said humans first contacted the flood?

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  • I never said Reach was non-canon, but it certainly doesn't pay attention to the Fall of Reach book. In fact, it conflicts with every book from FoR to Ghost of Onyx (four books).

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UL7IM4 G33K [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lucifer90210 Is any of this really a suprise to you all? bungie even said in BWU in may i think(before reach came out) i think it was in may anyways That Halo:Reach will not follow the books [/quote] They said it will not follow the book's story. They also stated that the FoR book and game fit with each other perfectly in an interview about Halo: Reach (which they do not).[/quote] About reach being non canon well sir [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU ]Your[/url] [Edited on 08.29.2011 2:35 AM PDT]

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