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9/17/2010 5:02:17 AM
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Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Here is a compilation of errors that we, the universe elite, have created in light of Halo: Reach's launch. Note, that this is STILL a work in progress, and will be upgraded as new breaks are located. [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Reach was invaded on July 24th. [b]Proof:[/b] All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th. [b]Sources:[/b]Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach. [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive. [b]Proof:[/b] Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components. The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of [i]every Spartan-III on the asteroid[/i] because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion. Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on [i]how[/i] they escaped at all. [b]Sources: [/b] - Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87. - Halo Reach [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] ONI's actions as well as the Cole Protocol. According to the Cole Protocol, if any Covenant Forces are detected, then all NAV bases and ships should purge their computers of information to protect Earth and the inner colonies. [b]Proof:[/b]If Covenant are detected on Reach on July 23rd, how is it that a month later, there are still computers with information to Earth still active? If ONI hadn't taken more than a month, than Blue team wouldn't have been deployed to the Circumference, and James wouldn't have died, and Linda wouldn't have been in a coma. Infact, they would have been on Reach with Red team. Sources: Pg 289 of The Fall of Reach gives information on the purging of Info not complete. [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/United_Nations_Space_Command_Emerg ency_Priority_Order_098831A-1[/url] [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/B] Carter, Emile, and Jun's age. Carter is born in 2520. He was 11 years old when Alpha Company began their training. This puts him 5 years above the previously stated age, and it makes no sense at all. Why would they have an 11 year old on the same training regime as a 4 year old? It's too large of a difference, and it's an error that can be avoiding by simply changing his birthdate. This same thing goes for Emile and Jun, who are older than 6 years old at Alpha training. [b]Proof:[/b] Page 69(I'm doing this by memory, I may be wrong.) of Ghosts of Oynx states that all of Alpha Company was comprised of 4, 5, and 6 year old children that he was going to have to forge into the best warriors humanity has ever seen. [b]Source:[/b] Ghosts of Oynx, page 69. [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Lack of Orbital MAC's. [b]Proof:[/b] Reach had a number of Orbital MAC's that were used in the battle of Reach. They were present on August 30th, so they should have been present during the mission "Long Night of Solace" in Halo: Reach. Had they been present, they Jorge wouldn't have died. Where were they? [B]Source:[/b] Fall of Reach, First Strike, Halo: Reach [quote][/quote] [b]Error:[/b] Pillar of Autumn on Reach. [b]Proof[/b] During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened. Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet? [b]Sources:[/b] Halo: Reach, Fall of Reach [u]Special Thanks:[/u] -ajw23207 -MOB74656 -xXFatal v1 -opog -Kippa If I've missed any errors, please, point them out. I'll add them to the OP, or try to explain them. Also, if you have any explanation to these canon errors, please, explain how they fit into canon, and the sources. [Edited on 09.16.2010 9:03 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Coma, shall I find the list of why the Ground battle as described in Fall of Reach is stupid as hell?[/quote] Haha XD Sure why not, I'll even copy and paste it so I have it on easy hand reference, giving credit for it to you of course :P

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  • I'm glad that the guy who wrote this did so very neatly and stated valid errors in the story without ranting on and on incoherently about how "Bungie sucks now because of Reach", like you see now in the comments on virtually every halo related video on youtube.

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  • Coma, shall I find the list of why the Ground battle as described in Fall of Reach is stupid as hell?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Dutchman With everything taken into account, i see my only course of action being [i]ignore reach.[/i] I feel better already. TFoR has a much better story, and to be honest, the events it portrays make more sense in terms of covenant behaviour. As an aside, 2 small things bugged me about reach; first, why o why did they make the troopers look like copyandpasta generic modern day soldiers? Yes, i know it's the army and not the navy, but it diminishes our ability to recognise them as part of the Haloverse. And my second point, why, in a world where Cortana can be stored on a chip the size of a credit card, was 6 carrying a [i]part[/i] of cortana, yet appeared to be [b]Jerrod[/b] in a cylinder the size of my arm? It's a damn shame, Bungie, but Reach has been sullied for many of the hardcore fans. Now we have to see what kind of damage 343 feel like doing...[/quote] Actually on its own TFoR doesn't make much sense, not its depiction of the Battle of Reach anyway. With the other books in the expanded lore or even just with itself, TFoR's account of the Reach's Fall makes little to no sense. The Covenant would inevitably win, yes, but they would not completely over-run the planet in a mere two hours time. Why does it matter what the Marines look like? And frankly I don't really see the resemblance to any modern military :/ I don't know. Because they felt like doing something different? Perhaps all of the data from the SWORD Artifact was being transported to the Autumn and a little chip wouldn't be able to hold that? Feh, that last claim is pretty ridiculous, you can't claim to know the minds of all the hardcore fans. I'm just as if not more of a hardcore fan of the Halo series and its story as you are, yet I love Reach, and I don't see any major canon flaws or anything of the sort in it at all. In fact, Reach is quite possibly one of my favorites out of all the campaigns so far.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith Then I shall advice you to read [url=http://halo.xbox.com/forums/general/f/10/t/21101.aspx]this[/url].[/quote] Urgh, and here we all were hoping you'd died in some horrific accident or something. Justify the timeline all you like, [i]how[/i] did the Covenant get a Supercarrier and about 12 Corvettes (according to the LNoS map) onto Reach without being noticed? [Edited on 08.16.2011 4:43 AM PDT]

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  • Then I shall advice you to read [url=http://halo.xbox.com/forums/general/f/10/t/21101.aspx]this[/url].

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  • With everything taken into account, i see my only course of action being [i]ignore reach.[/i] I feel better already. TFoR has a much better story, and to be honest, the events it portrays make more sense in terms of covenant behaviour. As an aside, 2 small things bugged me about reach; first, why o why did they make the troopers look like copyandpasta generic modern day soldiers? Yes, i know it's the army and not the navy, but it diminishes our ability to recognise them as part of the Haloverse. And my second point, why, in a world where Cortana can be stored on a chip the size of a credit card, was 6 carrying a [i]part[/i] of cortana, yet appeared to be [b]Jerrod[/b] in a cylinder the size of my arm? It's a damn shame, Bungie, but Reach has been sullied for many of the hardcore fans. Now we have to see what kind of damage 343 feel like doing...

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  • Most of your info sounds good, except the last bit. The mission was scheduled as a last gamble to save humanity with a prophet hostage. That's why they wouldn't be fighting the Covies on Reach.

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  • Very interesting stuff but perhaps the novels may be related to the game but written and created by someone other than bungie and just supported by them?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KurmisTheFrog I'm not all that great with halo canon, I just have some questions -Didn't the covenent just, sort of, stumble on Earth when they were following MC or something? -What did noble team actually gain from finding the forerunner info and adding it to cortana? -Can we pretend the PoA was making a pitstop..?[/quote] Maybe the second question will be answered in halo 4. Cortana can unlock doors or find a way to defeat a possible "new enemy" on the waht looks like a shield world.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yamahaftw Ok don't quote me on this as I do agree with your statement, the only thing is, the answers bungie gave us are a tad... unlikley. 1: Bungie stated that, although the invasion didnt happen until the 30th, a scouting force landed on reach between 24th-29th. ERROR: why then, didnt ONI allready flush every computers nav data, and why didnt they prepare all the apparently non-existant mac cannons and planet-side defences for battle? 2:The explanation for the lack of mac cannons is that they were in space, just not in the area that long night of solace took place! ERROR: wait, so their saying that reach only had defences on one side? 3: The explanation for cortana on reach is that the Cortana that the chief and the POA was given was a copy, the real Cortana was still on reach helping Dr halsey. When Noble team delivered the real cortana to the POA, the copy and the real one combined, thus making the cortana we know today. ERROR: The POA shouldnt have been planetside in the first place, see below. 4: The explanation for the pillar of autumn on reach is that the chief and his team were deployed on the circumference as the POA was making its way planetside for "repairs". The Chief was then picked back up on the POA's way off the planet. ERROR: So the POA landed on reach, got the rocket pod thingies attached to it, got its armour upgraded and got the rest of Cortana delivered to it in under an hour? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyway once again, please dont take my word on this but I heard a rumor that halo reach's story was originally going to follow the whole of RED (Johns team) and BLUE (planetside teams) but the story was changed halfway through production because Bungie believed retelling the story of Fall of Reach was boring for the hardcore fans who new the story front to back. My proof for this is in the video below where you can see from the 09 trailer that James (Spartan 005) is floating in space besides what appears to be the "circumference" [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7zveMPWek&feature=player_detailpage#t=40s[/url] thankyou for reading my ridiculously long post. P.S: PAGE 117 WOOT WOOT! [/quote] 1. How do you know that the Circumference was present at Reach the whole entire time the battle was going on? And besides which, all records of the ships very existence had been wiped from the station, it technically did not exist. In addition, ONI seems to be rather loathe to delete their own data unless absolutely necessary. Like for instance SWORD Base wasn't ordered destroyed until around the 29th. And where the bleeding frakking hell did you get the idea that the SMACs and other ODPs are now nonexistent? 2. No, that's not what they're saying at all. They're saying we can't see the SMACs from where we are on the planet. Do you know how big the area around a planet is? It's pretty damn large, you're not going to be able to see everything in orbit around the planet unless it is a [i]very[/i] large object. Like for instance in Halo 2, there are about 200+ ODPs around Earth, yet from the angles we see Earth and the defenses, we can only see maybe 5 or so stations at once. This is the same deal with Reach. 3. and 4. First of all you have it backwards, the "real" Cortana is still on the [i]Autumn[/i] where she's always been, the subroutine that Halsey broke off is what is studying the SWORD Artifact. And where did you get the idea that the [i]Autumn[/i] landed on Reach while Blue Team was taking out the [i]Circumference[/i]'s NAV Data? It [i]can't[/i] have done that because of the time stamps from both the game and the book. The last level of Reach (Pillar of Autumn) takes place at approximately 16:20 (4:20 P.M. for those who don't know Military Time) and the [i]Autumn[/i]'s role in the space battle in TFoR is taking place at around 0600-0615 hours (6:00-6:15 A.M.). Now this going into my own personal opinion. Personally I think the [i]Autumn[/i] went planet side [i]after[/i] picking up the marines and the remnants of Blue Team on Gamma Station. And as for the rest, you got the Spartan teams backwards. Blue was John's team and they went to take out the NAV Data on Gamma Station. Red Team is the group that was sent down to the planet to defend the Generator Complex. And do you have a source for the rest of that?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tktomma [b]Reach falling in one day was stupid idea anyway. How the hell is a massive military-based colony completely annihilated in a single day?[/b] TFoR was an awesome book, but that's really far-fetched, and Bungie's writers shouldn't be forced to conform to that.[/quote] And the fact that the UNSC was being overwhelmed by a handful of Corvettes(who lack shielding) isn't far fetched? Or the fact that Kat stated "the UNSC doesn't have any nukes" despite the fact that every UNSC Destroyer is equipped with 3 nukes and "60%" of the UNSC fleet was a Reach? That's not far fetched? [/quote] How were they overwhelmed by the corvettes? It didn't start going real south until until the carriers started showing up. And I don't believe Kat ever says "the UNSC doesn't have any nukes". You might be thinking of Carter when he said "All our nukes are either out-system or went down with the ships that carried them." Nobody ever denies that the UNSC have nukes, or not to my knowledge at least. [Edited on 08.14.2011 10:34 PM PDT]

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  • it's surprising to see I'm not the only one who was disappointed with the way reaches story game play was handled. seems like with the last 2 halos Bungie just focused on the multi player parts what a shame because this game destroys the mythos that was halo if it aint broke and all that jazz.....

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RB GambIer I though Bungie said that the Games make the story not the Books !? [/quote] ..... If such a thing were true, then we can cancel everything from the books out. Onyx doesn't exist since it wasn't mentioned. Blue Team is gone. Halsey is dead. The Covenant found Earth by Coincidence with a full fighting force. MC was the only Spartan left. /end sarcasm

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tktomma [b]Reach falling in one day was stupid idea anyway. How the hell is a massive military-based colony completely annihilated in a single day?[/b] TFoR was an awesome book, but that's really far-fetched, and Bungie's writers shouldn't be forced to conform to that.[/quote] And the fact that the UNSC was being overwhelmed by a handful of Corvettes(who lack shielding) isn't far fetched? Or the fact that Kat stated "the UNSC doesn't have any nukes" despite the fact that every UNSC Destroyer is equipped with 3 nukes and "60%" of the UNSC fleet was a Reach? That's not far fetched? [/quote] Or the fact nukes were shown as ineffective against Covenant shields.(concerning the supercarrier) Or the fact Kat might not know exactly what ships are there. Still is better then the UNSC ground forces being overwhelmed instantly by hundreds of dropships across the entire world. Far better then the fact the UNSC had a VERY STRONG ground presence, strong aircraft presence (Skyhawks anybody? 4 50mm cannons and anti-tank missiles), yet it wasn't mobilized ever. The ground defenses, as the book states, were started... when the Covenant dropships arrived. The airforce was NEVER mobilized or used, despite the fact they could have ripped apart, or at least harrassed heavily, the covenant dropship force. I'll take the game ground battle over the book ground battle anyday, as the book showed the UNSC as basically stupid IMO. [Edited on 08.14.2011 9:59 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tktomma [b]Reach falling in one day was stupid idea anyway. How the hell is a massive military-based colony completely annihilated in a single day?[/b] TFoR was an awesome book, but that's really far-fetched, and Bungie's writers shouldn't be forced to conform to that.[/quote] And the fact that the UNSC was being overwhelmed by a handful of Corvettes(who lack shielding) isn't far fetched? Or the fact that Kat stated "the UNSC doesn't have any nukes" despite the fact that every UNSC Destroyer is equipped with 3 nukes and "60%" of the UNSC fleet was a Reach? That's not far fetched?

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [/quote] Thank you for replying to my point. All I was trying to say is that it would have been appreciated for the game to fit more with canon when it's been established for 8 years. I understand that a lot of the time that isn't possible or practical but it's still appreciated. I don't know about SW so I can't comment on that but I do recall hearing about it and I can imagine it after seeing this forum light up over Reach since its release. As I'm on vacation now and having a -blam!- of a time typing this up on my phone, I'll bow out of this argument by saying that I do accept Reach as canon and I'm fine with that, I just would have enjoyed it more had it fit with canon better.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KoO 101 Please try posting something that isn't sarcastic or condescending. You've picked out one sentence from my entire post and ignored everything else. What is wrong with that logic anyways aside from the fact that you disagree with me about the canon not fitting as well as it could have? If Bungie had paid more attention to the details, we wouldn't have as many canon problems. That seems like sound logic to me. This thread is proof that a LOT of people think it doesn't fit as well as it could have. It's my opinion and a number of people share it with me. You have your opinion and people share it with you. Ret-con the previously established canon and come up with our ways of explaining the other things all you want, all that I'm saying is if Bungie had respected the established canon you wouldn't have to do as much of that. I accept Reach as canon, but I still don't like that I have to do it this way. It could have been done better.[/quote] Oh grow a pair. Stop being condescending, sure, I'll stop when people start to post the correct things in the Universe and others stop calling those who correct such mistakes as rude. But that won't happen. However, you make speculation sound like a bad thing. Everyone insists that Halo: Reach just destroys Halo canon. It has errors, but so far it seems every new piece of Halo lore has them, heck it seems every first edition of books 343 puts out is littered with them and requires a "Definitive" Edition to fix them. But oh so silent on that point the community is, no it's all about Reach. Yeah there are retcons, but the end result is the same no matter how you slice it. Reach falls, the PoA jumps to Halo, and Halo: CE begins. Nevermind the legitimacy of the events portrayed in the game are called into question since extra contents in the Legendary Edition pretty much say "This is ONI's piecing together of the battle of Reach". If that's true, then all of you Fall of Reach fans can coddle and praise your dandy book all day long. If not, oh darn you have to speculate. Cry me a goddamn river. Star Wars: The Clone Wars completely ripped apart the Clone Wars continuity. Yet me and fellow Star Wars fans continue to make sense of the whole thing. Should we have to? No, but we do it because we actually like SW and there is a certain thrill in piecing together this puzzle. Same goes for Fallout 3, that had potential to show the world of Fallout in a new setting, but instead it broke canon just to get it's main selling points in, Super Mutants, Brotherhood of Steel, Enclave, etc. Though I must admit Halo fans are much nicer to Reach than Fallout fans are to FO3. But yeah, I guess Halo fans have it so rough, to choose between a few hour space battle with ground engagements that didn't do -blam!- or between a longer conflict with ground engagements that bought time. Both ways end the same. Take your pic.

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  • I though Bungie said that the Games make the story not the Books !?

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KoO 101 To me it just seems like Bungie didn't try very hard and chose not to respect 8 years of established canon when a lot more could have been done with Reach.[/quote] So because you don't see it fit means Bungie didn't try hard enough? Nothing wrong with that logic.[/quote] Please try posting something that isn't sarcastic or condescending. You've picked out one sentence from my entire post and ignored everything else. What is wrong with that logic anyways aside from the fact that you disagree with me about the canon not fitting as well as it could have? If Bungie had paid more attention to the details, we wouldn't have as many canon problems. That seems like sound logic to me. This thread is proof that a LOT of people think it doesn't fit as well as it could have. It's my opinion and a number of people share it with me. You have your opinion and people share it with you. Ret-con the previously established canon and come up with our ways of explaining the other things all you want, all that I'm saying is if Bungie had respected the established canon you wouldn't have to do as much of that. I accept Reach as canon, but I still don't like that I have to do it this way. It could have been done better.

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  • Reach falling in one day was stupid idea anyway. How the hell is a massive military-based colony completely annihilated in a single day? TFoR was an awesome book, but that's really far-fetched, and Bungie's writers shouldn't be forced to conform to that. Then there's the 3's that shouldn't be alive in Noble, to which my response is that they were pulled from Alpha to do stuff for Colonel Holland. Is it that hard to believe? Same with the MACs, maybe the only ones in range were decommissioned, or there were none at all. In fact, the Corvette probably placed itself in a position where the MACs wouldn't be hitting deliberately. Also the same with Pillar of Autumn. It landed, waited for Noble, and took off. There's no reason that couldn't have been accomplished in a few hours, so it would still give the Autumn time to get into space and fulfill it's mission. I will say that the ages and dates are weird, but that stuff, as well as everything else is so minimal that it's barely reason to discredit the story.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KoO 101 To me it just seems like Bungie didn't try very hard and chose not to respect 8 years of established canon when a lot more could have been done with Reach.[/quote] So because you don't see it fit means Bungie didn't try hard enough? Nothing wrong with that logic.

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KoO 101 I've stated before in this thread that I think the problem people have with Halo: Reach is that it doesn't respect the canon established by TFoR. Sure, it can be made to fit with some retcons and some other unshown things to help it all connect, but why should that be necessary? Bungie disrespected 8 years of established canon IMO. That's what's wrong with Reach IMO.[/quote] The Fall of Reach was the first piece of expanded universe content we got...10 years ago. Since then the Halo Universe has grown to tremendous size. If you honestly expected everything to always fit and be 100% correct, sci-fi isn't the genre for you.[/quote] I don't expect [i]everything[/i] to [i]always[/i] fit, but it would be nice if the authors/writers/designers/canon-makers would put their best effort into making as much stuff fit with as few ret-cons as is feasible. I don't think that's too much to ask. I mean, there was some other thread a while back where someone had compiled a PDF with changes to the Reach campaign that could have made it fit with canon far more than it does. Some of those suggestions were very minor and very doable things. Bungie, however, just overlooked them when making Reach. That's all I'm trying to say. It applies to anyone who writes stuff for the Halo Universe. Make as much fit as best it can. To me it just seems like Bungie didn't try very hard and chose not to respect 8 years of established canon when a lot more could have been done with Reach.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KoO 101 I've stated before in this thread that I think the problem people have with Halo: Reach is that it doesn't respect the canon established by TFoR. Sure, it can be made to fit with some retcons and some other unshown things to help it all connect, but why should that be necessary? Bungie disrespected 8 years of established canon IMO. That's what's wrong with Reach IMO.[/quote] The Fall of Reach was the first piece of expanded universe content we got...10 years ago. Since then the Halo Universe has grown to tremendous size. If you honestly expected everything to always fit and be 100% correct, sci-fi isn't the genre for you.[/quote] The "10 years ago" argument doesn't really work anymore since we've gotten 2 "new" issues of the Fall of Reach since then. It may be the first "written" canon, but you can't just write it away saying it's 10 years old. 343 has had two chances to fix any errors and it was left (mostly) the way it was in the original. Trying to ignore anything in it because of it's release date isn't a good explanation for anything. Also, to the guy trying to convince everyone games>books, that IS NOT the case. 343, not Bungie, has said everything is on equal terms. It will all fit together. There is no canon hierarchy. Also, no, Halseys Journal doesn't "Fix most of these errors." I'm just going to assume you haven't actually read the journal. The errors it fixes aren't listed in this thread.

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  • I want to know where the hell the whole underground complex comes from when you establish a base in Halo Wars. I'd find it easier to overlook as just a convenient gameplay element if the placement of bases wasn't sort of part of the story. The stations that are placed is said to have been a big part of early colonization efforts (its been done outside of this one game). I want to know how the Station could canonically be set up very quickly. My best guess is that the ground troops might set up the landing pad or a pad isn't necessarily needed, then the station is landed as the in-game animation shows, then the station would serve as a construction center and the ground would be dug out very quickly with some high-tech equipment that comes inside the station and the underground complex and the area around the station itself could be built with construction parts and equipment that also comes inside of the station itself. [Edited on 08.13.2011 9:59 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KoO 101 I've stated before in this thread that I think the problem people have with Halo: Reach is that it doesn't respect the canon established by TFoR. Sure, it can be made to fit with some retcons and some other unshown things to help it all connect, but why should that be necessary? Bungie disrespected 8 years of established canon IMO. That's what's wrong with Reach IMO.[/quote] The Fall of Reach was the first piece of expanded universe content we got...10 years ago. Since then the Halo Universe has grown to tremendous size. If you honestly expected everything to always fit and be 100% correct, sci-fi isn't the genre for you.[/quote] I'm going to vote for this to be the Post of the Day. Genius. (no sarcasm, just appreciation.) [Edited on 08.13.2011 11:13 AM PDT]

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