Here's what's been missing from the Introvert/Solo arguments so far: sometimes introverts/solo players don't want to talk to ANYONE, even FRIENDS. They find it TIRING.
What the introverts argue: "There's too many trolls and squeekers, I don't want to deal with randos."
What the extroverts throw back: "You just have to find the right people/clan, we're not all trolls and squeekers!"
And the extroverts are never going to win that argument. Because what the introverts mean is "I don't want to have to chat with ANYONE. I want psychic silence. I don't mind if you're here helping me with this activity in-game, but I don't want to TALK to you about it, or LISTEN to your chatter. Sometimes I'll consent to chat with a small group of friends, and other times I won't. You can't make me, deal with it."
And then give them their damn solo endgame content. Geez, it's equally abnormal to ONLY want to do things in groups. We all need some solo time.
EDIT: Nearly everyone here apparently suffers from poor reading comprehension skills. I'm describing what many extreme introverts go through. I never said I was an introvert. Honestly, some of you are just as bad at making assumptions as Ghaul was when he assumed the Traveler talked to the Speaker.
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I don’t understand why it needs labels. Some people want to play with others, some people don’t. The game wasn’t marketed as a co-op shooter, it was marketed as a shared world shooter. There should certainly be endgame activities in a shared world shooter that requires a team but not necessarily verbal coordination. That’s why court of oryx and archons forge were great and Escalation Protocol is a step in the right direction. But I don’t think that raids should be made to be soloable. I mean, that mindset is what -blam!-ed D2 from the get go. They tried to make a game for everybody and ended up with a game for nobody. If there is aspects of the game that you can’t do comfortably, it’s ok not to do them. Some people do enjoy them though. It’s not right to try to change them to suit you at the expense of others
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1 ReplyThe only thing I have to say to the OP is “ “. 😉
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2 RepliesI am also an introvert. But there's a few points I personally disagree on. I like my alone time, for sure, and especially after I had a shitty day st work, but I also enjoy being with other players as frustrating as it can get, because they bring me out of my shell, through emoting, voice chat, whatever. It helps. There is a BIG difference though with being introverted and being isolated. If that's how you feel, why are you playing an online game? I've come this far, with me being an introvert, what's stopping you?
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4 RepliesIf you cant handle a simple conversation on a co op video game you are weak minded.
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1 ReplyThe hardest thing in my world is finding enough time where I can be completely committed to a hours long activity. It’s in and out all the time in my world.
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I love Destiny. When I don’t want to talk to others I’ll do strikes or crucible or wander in patrol. When I want collaborative endgame content, I do a raid. When I want solo endgame content, or multiplayer that doesn’t require talking, I play Bloodborne. I highly recommend this approach.
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F u, trolls and squeekers are not similar or on the same level, I'm a squeeker I p, I also finished every raid on hard mode in D1. Also us squeekers can't magically change our voices. Note: I only joined B.Net after D2 released.
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12 RepliesEdited by Sky: 4/27/2018 3:16:13 AMAlot of people dont seem to understand what it is to be an introvert. I see alot of comments on here pretty much saying "Its a multiplayer game, get the Fucck over it." Well sorry to say, thats not how things work, and thats not how the world works. An introvert is a person who enjoys everything alot of normal people enjoy. They want to play a video game, and be in the group, but it is physically and mentally tiring for them to talk to others. Alot of introverts will feel great anxiety and stress just at the thought of talking to someone, let alone someone they do not know. Now add more people, and a break will happen. Its sad that people feel the need to be so insensitive to others, but like people have said, its a multiplayer game, you do not have to play with someone who is an introvert, and likely its for the best.. because we dont want to play with you either. I am a bit of an introvert. I enjoy playing with other people, but the idea of talking to these people makes me cringe.. Its so very tirering.. and most are not even worth talking to anyway.
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Edited by SpamTheDamage: 4/27/2018 3:20:42 PMIf you are an introvert, or don’t like talking to people, that’s not a bad thing, but this game probably isn’t going to be for you in that case. There are plenty of other multiplayer games out there that can be played in the style that you are describing. Also, if you aren’t an introvert, how do you know what they experience? It sounds like you and I have had very different interactions with “introverts”. I’ve played through lots of content in this game with people who don’t have mic’s or don’t want to talk. Regardless, the endgame has always been focused on cooperative gameplay requiring communication, or at least a strong understanding. I don’t think Bungie should spread themselves so thin to create the same type of experience for solo players, especially when the base game itself needs so many more improvements.
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I’m an introvert I prefer not to talk to people but I deal with it if I wanna do a Raid plus it’s a lot less taxing to talk online.
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Out of curiosity, do you fall into the category of extreme introvert? You could always start a clan for similarly introverted people for mic-less end-game content.
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2 RepliesEdited by GenXer: 4/27/2018 12:27:48 PMI once sat in the passenger seat of a very good friend's car, and he said, "Man, you never talk. Say something," and I didn't know what to say, hadn't realised I wasn't talking. Sometimes, I talk a lot, too much. I have to shut myself up. I just get absorbed in my own thoughts. When I play, people tell me I never talk. That's because I don't need to. My conversation in raids is terse to keep the channels clear. I've got a couple of new middle schoolers in my clan who like to group with me. They talk incessantly. It drives me crazy. They ask me if I'm still there. "You're so quiet. What are you doing?" My reply, "Killing stuff", which they think is funny and kinda creepy. I solo a lot. I like to be in some groups. I'm good at listening and synthesizing situations to come up with novel solutions to problems. I'm good in raids if I've got the right build and loadout. I don't raid a lot because most of the people I've raided with are playing Monster Hunter World. I've tried other groups but found them undisciplined (One guy was so high, he couldn't stay on the platform to shoot targets and left during Gauntlet to get something to eat down the street. This after he caused several wipes), and I don't qualify for a bunch of the LFGs, so I just do solo stuff. But I digress. I run solo because I like to and because I can. When the game gets to a point where I can't or it gets to be a drag to solo, I'll quit. No big deal. What I really don't like is for other people on these boards to tell me to "play a different game". I'll play what I want, how I want, when I want. I don't give a Rat King's ass about what you think the game is supposed to be.
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3 RepliesOh Gods, so much [i]this[/i]. Dealing with people, any people at all, is damned hard work for me. The only difference between my loved ones and the rest of the world is that ,y loved ones are worth the effort. But they are still effort. I don’t have many friends who actually play D2, but even if I had multiple actual IRL friends active on D2 every day, I’d still maybe only party up once a week. I do enjoy “sharing” the game world with others, mostly. I like that there are other people running around, and that they behave like people not like programmed constructs. I enjoy PEs and in D1 would dip into Court of Oryx when people were around because it is easier with other people. But to interact as a group? Maybe. Occasionally. With the right people and even then, only with the right mood! (And at the end of a day doing IT Suppport, sometimes the last thing I want is deal with people)
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I think you are my spirit animal. Never has a post on the whole of the internet so resonated with me. This is what so many folks simply don't comprehend. It's refreshing to see. ❤️ If you are on Xbox and wanna play in silence... Lemme know.
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im an introvert. and this whole discussion is tiring. because most people in these discussions are not, and dont know what they are talking about. even worse they dont want to know and introverts should just live how they live... there is no end to these type of discussions. ill join a chat when i want to, when i get an invite ill hear whatsup, if i dont like it im out. its simple as that. why even have this discussion really?
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Wow, this person totally gets it! 😎
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Edited by DeadBySoloQ2146: 4/27/2018 6:02:45 PMIf bungie implemented matchmaking into raids etc and made these modes challenging yet less communication required it would solve a lot of problems. It's quite simple really yet bungie want to piss off the community and completely split it and make half hate the other half...other games have done it and those are good games for everyone. Destiny could also be for everyone. Damn bungie what are you doing!!!
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Introvert here and I support this message, also I get tired of talking to people quick.
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1 ReplyI think it is dishonest to try to tie the solo argument to being introverted. These things are not inherently tied to each other. Some people might equate playing video games to a social activity, others might not. Even if the gaming activity itself could be considered social. To give a counter example. Someone that is introverted might find that they like social interactions within a video game because it does not tax them the way other social interactions do. While other introverted individuals might not see a distinction between social interactions in a video game in the world. I don't have any objective data to back this up, but I personally consider myself extremely introverted. Yet I wont play Destiny unless I have someone to play with. So there is that.
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As an introvert myself, I agree. Half the time I feel uncomfortable with chit-chat.
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I am Autistic. And an introvert. I’ve raided once with my clan in D2 and found it a very exhausting experience. I rarely raided in D1 and when I did I usually got asked if I was “still there” as I was so quiet. Of course I could hear the remarks others made about me being “unsociable” but, hey, I was still shooting stuff and contributing. But I find teaming, particularly if doing a target based activity eg nightfall, very stressful. I know I miss out on stuff but I also have Fibromyalgia and have had two strokes. This gaming can be a very tiring hobby, mentally and physically.
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This honestly spoke directly to me, meeting members of the community and everything is a one of a kind experience, but it’s something that I have only done a minimal amount of times because of my extreme anxiety when it comes to meeting/talking to new people. But I must say that the Destiny franchise has helped me a lot and has assisted me in improving my social skills, honestly without some of the social skills I’ve picked up from playing through raids with people in this franchise, I wouldn’t have half the friends I have in my life right now.
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1 ReplyEdited by riki1kenobi: 4/27/2018 2:17:27 PMOkay, I’m going to quote the back of the box from Destiny 1. “Destiny is a next generation first person shooter, with rich cinematic storytelling set in huge worlds to explore. Create and customise your Guardian. Defeat your enemies. Become Legend in intense cooperative, competitive, and innovative public gameplay modes.” Nowhere in the entirety of D1, or it’s rebooted “sequel” D2, is the game marketed as a single or solo player game. It’s always been a cooperative game. Every time I see these posts I wonder IF people thought they were buying a different game? Also, to add. When I first started playing Destiny back in 2014 I hated the “need a mic” and requirements to talk scenario. But I had a choice, I could choose to not play those events or I could get onboard with it. I chose the latter and have never regretted it. But I was never under the illusion Destiny was a solo player centric game.
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2 RepliesFor me, I get nervous when talking to random strangers when grouping up in a game. It's like my anxiety kicks in and shuts me down. I'm really outgoing and fun to talk to, I love laughing a joking around and being serious. But when it comes to talking to new people, it's like I lose all my social and communication skills and sound like a complete dip-shit. I know it's easy just to say "get over it" but for some reason it seems a little harder for me than most people. That's why I have missed out on a lot of group activities in Destiny and ESO as well. I finally have a group I play with that play both these games, but we are primarily in ESO as we have all been taking a break from Destiny, but back to the point. It's getting easier to talk to people I don't know. I don't even know why I get so nervous. It's like I over think how I might sound or act and worry about coming across stupid, then I end up doing just that.
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i don't mind talking about the task at hand, but i have [b]no[/b] interest in mindless chatter.
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2 Replies"Introverts" knew what they were buying. It was all advertized. If people want single player games they can just buy single player games. It's not that hard to understand.