'Elitist' No, its players that want to get it and get done quick without having to deal with anchors who have no idea what they are doing. Its called a Loot party or a Farm party in MMO terms. You are required to know the fights/encounters to the point where you can consistently not screw up. This isn't 'Elitism' its raiding culture in every game. Once you get your first clear from hard work knowing the fight then you can join the groups that are farm groups. People like you are probably the ones that I try to help with clear parties then play as if you never touched or even looked at the encounter in the first place. Those parties are called LEARNING PARTIES.

There are plenty of people out there who try to help Noobs. I myself have taken a number of new people through the raid, sometimes 4 at a time. Then there are days where I dont have time and just want tonget it done, so I ask for people with similar experience so it goes quick and smooth. Why does that make someone a bad person for just wanting to get it done some days?

This argument has existed as long as raids have been a thing.... This argument has always boiled down to the following points 1) People are allowed to decide who they want to play with 2) People are not required to do something solely because it would be beneficial for you 3) Just like they are allowed to set requirements for their post you can just make a post yourself with whatever requirements you see fit. Now for the predictable counter argument portion. Q: Did they know everything your first time playing through the raid? A: No, they just played with other players in the same position/ experience range as themselves until they were able to learn/ complete said encounter. Q: How are less experienced players supposed to gain experience? A: By forming groups with other less experienced players just like the experienced players did when they first started out.

I tried upvoting your post but the hatred is too strong. It's still at zero. If there's one thing I've learned from playing this particular franchise it's that it's home to some of the most toxic individuals on the planet. Both the raid and trials community are arrogant, spiteful, egotistic cesspools of filth. You all know who you are. Downvote the post ;). I recommend posting on your console lfg or on any lfg site. Set up your own rules. If you don't do that you'll never get experience or play with likeminded individuals. They're out there but they're too nervous to post cuz of the top dogs oppressing them. I find it ironic that Bungie is trying to make this game super social yet the community chooses to alienate itself. So what's gonna happen if you finish the raid in 15 minutes or complete your trials card in 5 minutes? Are you gonna win a million bucks or something? I could understand if there was an outside reward that was incredible but there is no reward. On top of that, gear in d2 is meaningless. I might be able to understand if the gear was actually worth it but it's not. Let the hatred commence.

I raid with inexperienced players often. Chill adults are out there, just gotta find us.

Form your own beginner fireteam and do (or attempt to do) a raid. You'll see why these things are asked for.

I don’t find people who desire experience snobby. It’s mostly people who just don’t want to factor in the extra 1 to possibly 3 hours to teach new people a raid. Putting that on top of the 45-90 minutes it usually takes to do a raid every time starts to add up and some people can’t always or just don’t want to commit that much of their time

Hey man if you're on Xbox, add me. I'm up for raids, so just let me know.

People can have whatever standards they want. [u]Nobody[/u] has to cater to your needs. Not everyone has the time/patience to guide inexperienced people through the raid, and that is 100% okay. If you hate it so much, be the change you want to see. Make your own group, and make it clear what you're looking for. Or better yet, study the raid via YouTube guides, carefully explain to LFG groups that you know what to do, and SOMEBODY will take you on.

Not everyone has the whole day to take newbies on for a full raid. And it can be difficult explaining to some people that don't understand. You can always start your own raid. That's always the best if your looking to do a raid or if the groups don't mind a beginner but you also have to know your part and how to do the raid at least. Watch videos or something if you don't know how to do each encounter.

[quote]What's with the comments such as "experienced only", "know what to do", "don't suck"?? Were you that experienced in D2's Raid right from the start? Didn't you suck as well? [/quote] Allow this raid snob to drop a little information on you. First of all, no, we weren't all perfect or experienced at the start... but that's just it, the start was over 6 months ago an us "snobs" have put in the time and effort to learn the raids and perfect our strats. We spent hours on end putting together teams and working out the best strats and then practicing. Where were you back then when we were learning? Didn't play the game back then or did but just didn't raid back then? How the f'k is that OUR problem? You expect experienced players to sit and walk you through a raid that will slow us down and cause frustration.... why? Because you think you deserve it? My clan is a raiding clan... we raid every night and on those occasions when we are short a player and need to pick someone up, we want experienced players because we are going to run MULTIPLE runs and don't want to be slowed down. Most of us work weekdays and therefore our window to play is a small one. Before you get your panties in a twist over my post (too late?) let me say it isn't all bad news. My clan has also done more than it's share of charity work. We have maxed out guided games in each season and ever after that we continue to participate in guided games as guides when we have the time. Groups go into guided games with the expectation they will have to teach someone so if you want to get guaranteed sherpa help to get going, use guided games as a seeker. I understand the wait time for seekers is LONG but that's NOT our fault, you need to speak to Bungie about perhaps offering better incentives for groups to do guided games. Additionally, guided games is a great way to see if you gel with a group and perhaps get to join a new clan that raids often if that's what you want. My clan has picked up at least 4 members from our guided games. Not everyone is going to be a match to every group but there are those times when the stars align and it's a good fit. I had to laugh at your title "raid snobs be gone"... newsflash, raid snobs are people who actually raid... and raid a lot, we aren't going anywhere. It is really the raid noobs who need to stop feeling entitled to get an invite to every raid they want to. Put in your time like the rest of did because no one owes you anything! If you aren't sure how to "put in your time" then here are some suggestions: 1. Start your own LFG group and state you are a beginner. There are plenty who will join you. 2. Join The 100 ( [url]https://www.the100.io/login[/url] ) and post up for a group, there's even a checkbox to ask for sherpas... those games ALWAYS fill fast. In closing, good luck and stop being a whiny little b*tch!

literally no one gives a -blam!- if you think its offensive find people you like to play with and play with them you cant force people to play with you especially because youre trash

sorry for not wanting to spend 7+ hours on each encounter trying to teach while the noob just ignores the fire teams and leroy fu cking jenckens around cuasing us to to lose most of our rez tokens. would you like anything else ma lord? (have you ever heard of starting your own lfg)

I get the complaints, bro. Here's what people are getting at with those comments (it's implied, so if you don't get that at the onset, I can understand where you're coming from): "experienced only", "know what to do", and "don't suck" are usually the tags people use when they're looking to bang out a raid quickly. Personally speaking, I use those tags when I'm running cleanup raids the day before reset, simply because I'm wanting to get it done and my clan mates are elsewhere (working, dinner-ing, etc.-ing). The clan that I'm a part of is really good about taking newbies at the beginning of the week and getting them through it for the first time (or knocking the rust off), but as the week progresses, I just want to bang it out, you know? Those are my thoughts on it. I hear your frustration though. Good luck.

You’re right. There is a huge effort from the experience raiders to distance themselves from the noobs. My example: I have a wife, kids, a good job, and a social life. What I don’t have is 4-5 hours to maybe beat the raid a single time. Once I get the raid emblem ONE TIME for a given raid, I steer waaaay waaaaaay clear of noob groups and I even go as far as to make semi-elitist posts. Why? It’s not because I’m a jerk, it’s because I cannot be sitting in front of my console for multiple hours in one session. Your post is short-sighted and fails to take into account that many players don’t have all day to struggle through a raid with bad groups.