Totally this. For pvp I've always played the battlefield and cod series for YEARS, but was a refreshing change having a game similar to borderlands for its pve/loot elements... The pve at the start of destinys existence for me at least, was crisp, exciting, and the fact you could run it in a co op mode made it all the more fun, and it ALL started to come crashing down after the very first iron banner tournament. I could be wrong, but it was after this that they started the changes in the name of balance. I get it, balance is needed sometimes, but trying to marry the two in both PvP and pve can NEVER work, because those op weapons you ground for, beat that raid or nightfall for, to make your pve experience easier, make grown men CRY in PvP for balance, then guess what.... that elemental scout you smashed the nightfall with last week helping a couple of guys to beat it gets nerfed into the ground. It was after that 1st iron banner, which I spent the majority of rolling around with a void fusion for the thorn bounty, that fusion rifles got nerfed, and then the floodgates opened, it was then systematically watered down over a 3 year period which then inevitably led to the Demonic spawn which is destiny 2..... Way to go Bunghole...... you managed to totally destroy a winning formula, and to this day, I don't think I've witnessed another company destroy themselves with such finesse.