Who is Eris Morn? A wild guess....Eris Morn!

Who is FOOFER37? Someone who just realized drugs are bad.

Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plageuis the wise?

I guarantee you that Eris is not Savathûn. Here’s my explanation and counter evidence [quote]1: all that stuff she helps you do? You'll notice how it leads to the death of Oryx, Crota. Hive, especially Savathun, constantly battle to outlive one another. [/quote] You’ll also notice that everything we do and everything that the Vanguard and other City members help us with leads to the deaths of enemy leaders. The Hive may feed on war, but that is proof of nothing [quote]2: When the Hive made war on far greater civilizations, Savathun, the queen of deceit and trickery, infiltrated their societies and formented their downfall. [/quote] True, but we have no evidence of the Hive being able to disguise themselves. It’s quite possible that Savathûn used concealed spies and/or made connections with saboteurs in the other species [quote]3: she has Hive eyes and must blindfold herself to the Traveler's light. [/quote] She is confirmed to have gotten the Hive eyes when trapped in the Hellmouth by cutting them out of an Acolyte. She didn’t always have them: we have multiple people in the Tower that knew her before her change, and she even fought back at the Great Disaster before her raid incident. She wears the blindfold because the Hive eyes are sensitive to light and to Light (they helped her sew down in the Hellmouth) [quote]4: she has a creepy green ball similar to ones Hive Wizards use. Savathun is a Wizard. [/quote] What Wizard has ever had a glowy ball? She got that rock from the Hellmouth and it has a connection to the events happening in the Sword Realms [quote]5: the Traveler should have healed after the destruction of the Black Garden, but does not. Savathun is the reason for this, her little setup at the tower can drain its light. [/quote] We’re actually not sure about this one. Its possible that the Traveler started healing after the Garden died but we have no evidence one way or another (although it’s possible that the Traveler looked more restores when TTK came out but I haven’t checked this myself). The Hive have also never shown the ability to drain Light, although if they can get to it they can tear the Light out and feast on it. However, any being of Darkness close to Light should be weakened [quote]6: she knows much more about Oryx and Hive magic then is safe for Eris. She knows and uses all this stuff because she's Savathun! [/quote] She learned from Toland and her own survival in the Hellmouth. She clearly doesn’t know everything (including who Nokris is, which Savathûn would almost certainly know) [quote]7: she has us weaken Oryx's tribute system. But she has us feed her that tribute... who'd ever be interested in such dangerous artifacts and other creepy evil stuff? Savathun would. [/quote] We never feed Oryx’s tribute, we only weaken it and take off the top so that the lower levels all start fighting for dominance (power vacuum). Savathûn would definitely be interested in taking over the throne, but if she really is Eris then she would’ve taken it as soon as we killed Oryx and kept Willbreaker’s power for herself [quote]8: When Eris Morn is around, Savathun wasn't coming. When she's gone... suddenly uh oh, here comes Savathun! She's on her way![/quote] Savathûn’s Hive were in our system before Oryx even arrived, we just didn’t know until going to Titan. Savathûn probably began coming right when she found out that Oryx was dead, and only Eris left after Oryx and Aksis we’re dead because she wanted to find out what was going on outside the safety of the City Finally, Eris was a Guardian. We have records and living people who know her from whenever she still had Light I’d also like to point out that we have no proof of Savathûn being able to Take. Yes there are Taken named after her and Quria, but we already know that Quria is under Savathûn’s control and that Taken can move Blight to create more Taken. It’s very likely that Savathûn is using Quria to control a large group of Taken (but not all) while she herself figures out how to Take. The only act of Taking we have seen in D2 is from Blight manipulation, not from a Wound like Oryx did. It is possible that Savathûn can Take, but all evidence points against it

Ivoted no but really like your reasoning behind this. It would make an excellent twist to the story.

No. Eris Morn is who she is....a Hunter who was a survivor of both the disastrous battle on the Moon against Crota, and the equally disastrous first raid on Crota's throne world. Because of that failed raid she was cut off from the Light, trapped (as we nearly were by Oryx back in The Taken King) and lost her Ghost. She survived---and saved our life and our Ghost----by mastering some of the powers of The Darkness. Her "rock" is really a Hive soul that she draws power from. Think of it as a Hive version of a Ghost. She knows what she knows about the Hive because she was an acquaintance of Toland The Shattered (Toland is to the Hive what Osiris is to the Vex) , and because she had to learn about them in order to survive the years she was trapped "behind enemy lines". The only question that remains about her is who it was she was referring to at the end of "Regicide" when she says "My Queen"....and what she meant when she said, "I've accepted my fate...and I will not fail." I think there is a cynical streak in a lot of young people, which is why I think some people want to think she is either Hive....or she's working with the Hive. But when you listen to her talk, she has nothing but hatred and contempt for the Hive....and rage over what was done to her and comrades/friends. I think whom she was referring to was the Queen of the Awoken...and her "fate" is I believe that she understand that she is the instrument of the Hive's destruction...and represents an important middle ground between Light and Darkness. So many aspects of this story strongly suggest that while The Darkness is what we would consider Evil, that the Traveller may not be what we would consider fully "Good"....and what we might find ourselves in is really an ideological struggle between FORCES of the UNIVERSE that are out of balance. A "War in Heaven" for lack of a better term. Being fought by those who want to populate the Universe through the power of Creation (The Light and The Traveller), and those who want to "perfect" the Universe through conflict and Destruction. (The Darkness and its Minions). There is also evidence to suggest that Light and Dark are not separate...but are different manifestations of something else. There are references to the "corrupted Light" of the Shards in the EDZ. The fact that Awoken (whom we know were affected by the Darkness during The Collapse) can still be Guardians. The fact that minions of the Darkness are drawn to the Light, and the Hive need it to sustain their own immortality and to feed their worm larvae. ...and the fact that Eris Morn started out as a Hunter Guardian, but now is more like a Warlock/Hive Wizard than a Hunter. Not to mention that many minions of the Darkness seem to have similar powers to Guardians...but just based in Darkness. What we may ultimately find out is that it may not be in Humanities long-term interest for EITHER side to win this war...and that we may be required to bring these out-of-balance forces into a more sustainable Harmony. And that Eris may represent a necessary nexus between Light and Dark---along with the Awoken and perhaps even the Fallen----that is necessary to subdue the Darkness, and "restore the balance".

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