See... The thing Bungie isn't getting is that a vocal community is an engaged, passionate community, otherwise why would they keep engaging on these forums? When said community stops engaging on the forums (let alone in game), that's when Bungie should worry, because it means they just flat out don't care any more. The community no longer feels like their voices are actually being heard, and it's been that way since D2 launched. There's only so much people will stand before apathy sets in and they no longer feel the need to support this developer. The actual player numbers have clearly declined, the forums are nowhere near as active as they used to be. The writing is on the wall Bungie.