This PvE vs. PvP thing is really crazy. We all play this game. We should all be pulling in the same direction. PvP and PvE should be separated for balance purposes. If Bungie can do that and people can get used to their weapons, supers and grenades working differently in each mode, it would go a long way to sorting stuff out. Lore could support this because the Crucible was made to test guardians against each other. If anyone remembers, they balanced shotguns differently in PvE and PvP in D1.