My son plays Fortnite all the time, it seems to get 2-3 patches per week. Sometimes they're quite large, like today's which is 7.8 gig. Looking at the patch notes, each patch fixes, changes, adapts, adds multiple little things. It's constantly and regularly getting improved and updated.
Now contrast that to D2. Why are we waiting countless months for any changes, additions or improvements?
I honestly don't get it, Bungie is an enormous developer with a massive amount more resources yet they take so much longer to get anything done.
If there's a valid reason for this I'd really like to know what it is, because I can't for the life of me get my head around it.
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103 Replies1. Fornite developed the game engine that they work with. So they know it better than everyone else who uses it...and that engine is known for its "agility". OTOH, The Destiny engine is known for the exact opposite. That it is not at all agile...and is difficult and tedious to work with. 2. Fortnite is a game that is still in its pre-release phase, and doesn't have any PVE game play to have to account for. In fact, the only people who have access to the PVE side of the game right now are those people who (like me) bought one of the "Founder's" versions of the game. So Epic can do whatever they want with the BR side of the game. Whereas Bungie has to consider and test any changes they make for the impact they will have on PVE. 3. There are no free lunches. Just who gets stuck with the bill. IOW, every approach has its problems...and its a matter of what problems you want to put up with. While Epic's churning of the sandbox is seen as a positive in PVP games, it is considered a major negative in PVE games. In fact Epic is churning the sandbox with such frequency that its starting to annoy many PVP players. Because the changes are coming out with such speed----and probably so little quality or play testing----that they are starting to erode in-game performance. TLDR: Neither approach is ideal. Bungie---mainly because of their determination to keep a unified sandbox, and the technical challenges their game engine saddles them with---are too slow and ponderous in the changes they make. And the changes almost always piss off their PVE fanbase. Epic is becoming haphazard and arguably irresponsible with their pace of change. They are actually just churning the sandbox right now...and as a result many ongoing problems in the game (like glitchy shotgun damage) go unaddressed.
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Bungie has clearly stated that making games is hard and they would like to do it much less so please spend more money on microtransactions so they don't have to look to content and work as their source of revenue.
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Because that's when their dlcs drop
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Edited by FdYAcsoyPKN83gLE: 2/18/2018 4:15:56 AMDestiny 2 is a badly made game of a good game. Fortnite is good made game.
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2 RepliesDo you even know how complex is a game like destiny? And how simple is a game like fortine that online has pvp? No maybe you dont
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They patch farming glitches really fast..... so what are you saying?
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5 RepliesReading responses, I understand that the nuts and bolts of the two games are pretty different. But what I think you can't deny, is that the frequency of the patches for FN make it fun and fresh and really keep the community on it's toes. Some don't work and the devs roll with that. That type of direction would have been much appreciated here. Try stuff, improve stuff, some won't work, keep it changing. Now we get one major update to the sandbox in over 6 months. That's not cutting it.
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Fortnite is still in development, they use completely different engines, fortnite can dump changes on the game that affect the balance in any way as the game isnt supposed to be balanced while bungie have to test every minor detail, and bungie is focused on not just one, but many updates that are changing large parts of the game, plus future expansions. on a side note, this post got moved to feedback because its giving feedback on update times.
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1 ReplyFortnite is a much smaller game, and still in development...
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7 RepliesUnbelievable that they've moved this post to feedback. This post is not feedback. I'm not providing bungie with any feedback at all, I'm asking a question about why it takes so long to apply simple updates. Please can you move this back to the Destiny 2 topic where I originally placed it?
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Edited by Aiden985: 2/16/2018 10:35:40 AMWell Fortnite is a game that is in active development its not in full release which would probably be good enough to explain all of it. Destiny 2 most likely has more complex systems in place that if messed with could make other things not work like the....I can't remember but one of the patches for D1 ruined an entire weapon because they did one little tweak to one weapon and it affected all of them. Knowing this community they're just gona say how bad of a dev Bungie is and that Fortnite is better, but they are two separate games they have different systems, and Bungie learning from D1 only puts patches through once they are sure it works the way they intended after months of testing as they like to tell us in the updates before they come out.
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2 RepliesIt's cause fortnot has no real database, the list of guns us around 20 weapons, then another 10 special weapons. It also has very limited gameplay unlike d2. If bungie buffed scout rifles they have to balance it for multiple pvp and pve game modes, and multiple damage types. Fortnot down have that problem as a head shot does the same damages a footshot, and Jr only has 1 real game mode
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Because Fortnite and the company who makes it, have to earn a solid playerbase. They can't skate by on the Halo name like Bungie is. If you want results, tell Activision, not Bungie
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Fornite is the new roblox.
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It doesn't compare to Destiny. It looks like it was developed in 2005. It's no way near as complex as Destiny.
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2 RepliesBungie logic is what will destroy this Destiny franchise long-term. They will come back with their "it's too hard to make content" excuse because the majority of their staff is working on the next cash grab Destiny 3 at the moment. So we're essentially stuck with a broken D2 game.
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Edited by Haunter: 2/16/2018 5:30:09 AMBecause epic games is trying to make a good game. Bungie are trying to cut costs and make money wherever possible. That's literally the only reason a triple A studio with 700 staff members can't keep up with a small never heard of dev
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This game will go months without sandbox updates if no one says anything
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2 RepliesSo what happened is that bungle has shifted its main development lemming power to crafting up destiny 3 and left a smaller team to deal with us in d2. Patches take longer, the talent is lesser quality so coding changes take more effort, creative and artistic teams are no longer deployed in d2 upkeep meaning less content, longer timelines for fixes, etc. Fortnite has dedicated teams that have no other projects. Much like war frame, developers are not contractually obligated to begin the next project once their game launches and they are able to spend more time and resources on making their title a better experience. This pattern will continue until the life cycle of bungles contract has expired, unfortunately the cash they are able to bring in with this style of management is likely to result in extensions or similar practices in the future so it's looking like nothing will change anytime soon
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Yes, there is a valid reason. You didn't buy enough junk from Eververse.
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3 RepliesEdited by Patch: 2/15/2018 4:29:25 PMBecause Lukes team is working on D3. The “Live team” is working on D2 at the moment which is a much smaller team headed by Chris. I think its ridiculous that Luke gets to ruin D2 and then jump right on D3 leaving a much smaller team to fix the game but what do I know.
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1/3 d2 the other 2/3 is for d3 development.
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A large portion of the patches fortnite pushes out are to fix things they screwed up with a previous patch. Many of the others are adding a temp mode akin to iron banner or faction rallies in destiny, stuff that doesn't need a patch every single time to enable. I'd rather they take their time and get it right the first time instead of pushing out 3-4 patches in 10 days and still not fixing everything they broke with the first patch. Among things borked by fortnite patches: Friend list in-game joining Xp boosts in both br and stw modes Language modes Invisible players Getting under the map (yes, a patch caused this, and it took them many many many patches to correct it) There's more, but it's mainly stuff that screwed over the pve, and not many people actually play that. Frequency doesn't mean anything if the quality is meh.
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They are based out of Washington state... glad to help clear that up for you ;)
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1 ReplyThe thing with fortnite (and yes btw I do play it) is that their updates try and hide the lack of content that the game actually holds. they are rushing out new things to try and keep players with the game and keep the hype going. we can all agree that, at the core and start, the BR part of fortnite is a copy of PUBG. Yes the game has branched off but it still remains a pretty low content game compared to Destiny 2 even at its current state. also their updates take up some serious room for the amount of content that it adds, many gigs for about 3 new weapons. Overall, Fortnite is a skeleton of a game that has skin thrown on top of it with a bunch of stuffing in the middle, most of the time people only play it because of the constant stream of content vomited out by Epic, instead of making the original PvE side of the game available to all and fully flushed out.
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3 RepliesWho cares about fornite?