There's 2 types of Destiny player. One that did endgame content every week until they got everything. And those that didnt do endgame, or if they did, they did it once or twice, maybe didnt even finish the activity, and never did it again. Its funny how the 2nd lot of players tend to be ones that love Destiny 2 and the direction its going, and yet the 1st camp is the most vocal about their dislike of the game and its direction......

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Hi Nice post. As a year 1 player who considers himself "mildly salty but not a hater" over Destiny 2, I'll try and explain some of the background. (TLDR: Just read the 6 bolded bits to get the general idea) [b]1) Destiny 1 was also controversial.[/b] Destiny launched with huge hype and huge controversy. The campaign was limited and shallow. The endgame progression involved grinding through the same strikes over and over in the hope of RNG blessing you with a slightly better piece of armour. All the best gear was dependent on RNG grinding. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzopWRXK_r4]Angry Joe's review[/url] has an entertaining breakdown of how disappointing it was compared to the hype. This [url=https://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731]Kotaku article a year later[/url] explained what had been happening behind the scenes. However, the gameplay was good enough, the universe and lore intriguing, the PvP fun and the raid was excellent. And that was enough to provide a strong fanbase. Also, every DLC brought improvement, particularly the Year 2 expansion The Taken King. By year 3, game was largely in good shape. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNyMbmjOtW4]Skill Up's final review[/url] gives you a good idea of how Destiny 1 felt by the end. This led the community to have optimism that the troubles were over and, having delayed Destiny 2 by a year, Bungie would have had time to fix all the old problems and deliver on something amazing. Unfortunately, it turned out not to be... Destiny disappointed again... [b]2) Destiny 2's Story and Campaign Disappointed Again[/b] In Destiny 1, the original story was cut out and minimal effort put in replacing it. In the Taken King, there were actual cutscenes and the story campaign was very enjoyable. Destiny 2 looked like it would take this further. The opening missions really built things up well... and then it didn't really go anywhere, and although there were some really great moments here and there, (being exposed to the Sun while being on the Almighty) a lot of it was "meh". Worse still, while D1 had lacked a story, as it was introducing the enemy races for the first time, we got fresh experiences being introduced to them. In D2, we just fought the same enemies we'd already been fighting over and over for three years. The raid, while being okay, wasn't as fun as previous raids. It also felt smaller. And had a confusing overarching story/motives - are we stopping the Leviathan from destroying Nessus? Or are we here to entertain the deposed Cabal King who sends you his loyal servants for you to destroy for his entertainment? What made it worse was the feeling that we'd waited so long, for this? The game that had required multiple third party studios to help develop? This was it? It was quite an anti-climax. [b]3) Controversy with the endgame/replayability[/b] As I mentioned earlier, Destiny 1 had an annoyingly stingy approach to the best gear, all based around endless repetition in the hope that RNG would bless you. It turns out that many Destiny fans used to love this as it gave them an incentive to keep playing, and it meant that if they dropped something good, the drop was meaningful. If you were lucky enough to drop the Gjallarhorn or Vex Mythoclast in those early days then you had a clear advantage over those who didn't. In my opinion, D2's progression system for gear is better - giving you clear tasks to complete rather than repetition for RNG luck, but it also meant that when people largely had the bulk of what the game had to offer within 1-2 months of play... that was it, they had everything. What was there to work towards now? This made the game feel stale compared to D1 where there always seemed to be things to work towards. This is why you see so many people calling for random perk rolls for gear to be re-introduced, because they feel that would bring back a sense of uniqueness to gear that is currently missing. Personally I wouldn't like this - I think instead that the hardcore grind should be for cosmetic items. I'd like to see the Eververse Store items be unlockable through grind rather than RNG paywall. Lastly, the number of repeats from exotic engrams was quite frustrating as it was something they seemed to have solved near the end of D1, but now it was back again. It felt like a step back. [b]4) Controversy over the PvP balance vs chaos and power fantasy[/b] You mentioned that Destiny 2's PvP is nice and balanced. You're right, it is. This makes it more suitable for competitive matches than it used to be. However, many feel that a lot of the fun has been sacrificed from the game to achieve this. Destiny 1's PvP was chaotic. So many things could kill you in one hit, often feeling quite cheesy. However, it also allowed exciting plays where one player could single handedly [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrLAAnnGaI]clear out a room[/url]. Frustrating if you wanted a fair fight with a fair chance of winning, but fun if you could take being on the receiving end of these things with a sense of humour. Making things balanced has lost this chaos. Worse still, as there has been a refusal to separate PvP from PvE, changes to make PvP more balanced has impacted on PvE, particularly the PvE "power fantasy" - that is by working to level up your character, you could make them OP AF and then have fun obliterating the enemies that used to give you grief when you were a lower level. Shotguns, Fusion Rifles and Sniper Rifles were "special weapons" with more regular ammo. Grenades and melees were far more damaging and all your abilities, including supers, charged more regularly. Perks to generate orbs, charge your supers, were much more prevailant. Combined with strike modifers like the elemental burns, you could have a lot of fun with abilities. For example, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcBKaDSy_zw]this happened[/url] in one of the later Nightfalls. (Yes, that's a Nightfall boss you're seeing obliterated within a few seconds) All of this has been HUGELY toned down for the benefit of balance in PvP... Also, considering how much was sacrificed for a balanced competitive PvP mode, why wasn't there a ranked system from day 1? The options in PvP are so limited, compared to even Destiny 1 vanillas PvP modes and options, it almost feels like an extended BETA test than a complete game. [b]5) Microtransaction Controversy[/b] To be fair to Bungie, their microtransaction system is very similar to Overwatch's, which largely got away with it. However, even Overwatch's lootbox system holds cool stuff out of reach, requires you to gamble for the costmetic items you want, and has a business model based on exploiting whales rather happy customers all round. Battlefront 2's "step too far" has caused a backlash against lootboxes in general, which Bungie a suffering from a bit, especially following the controversy over XP throttling. I think it's also something that people wouldn't be overly fussed about if they were happy with the game, but given they're not, it winds them up even further. And the question has to be asked - given how much people are paying for the base game and dlc, should Bungie be trying to charge people even further? Even for cosmetics? [b]Why is has this led to controvery over CoO[/b] Disgruntlement over these problems didn't really take off until October time. CoO is the first content release since then, so many see CoO as a missed opportunity to fix these larger problems. Add to that the controversies around dlc paywall and locked content... To be honest, there was similar controversy around the first D1 expansion, that merely gave a bit more content without fixing the wider problems. Real problem fixing didn't really come until the expansion a year after release. I guess we'll see a lot of anger in the meantime. Apologies for the essay. I hope you found it informative. :)

After 3 years of feedback THIS is what Bungie gave us... If you piss off the casuals, they leave... If you piss off the fan-base, they voice their dissatisfaction (not always in a constructive manner) Bungie has mislead us for the past 3 years, telling us that all the shortcomings in D1 would be alleviated in D2. They weren't; they were only exacerbated (connection quality, dev communication, Eververse, just to name a few) People don't like being told lies, especially about something that they have a passion for.

Lots of words to explain how you are ok with mediocrity and poorly designed game mechanics. Mercury is too small to hang out and farm on, the story promised time travel but its just a computer simulating time travel and didnt explain anything around the main character of the DLC....let down. Also the DLC didnt address the core gameplay issues which are why people are complaining about D2...the loot is still boring and theres nothing to chase....which is not good in a loot farmer game. Also it locked out people who didnt buy it...a shady tactic...even if backpeddling why even try that when the community is already dissatisfied with you product? Activision LOVES players like you though...they shovel shit down your throat and you love it, beg for more with wallet in hand, and then go on their forums and try to white knight them. Some of us have played some decent games in our lives and expected just a bit more from Bungie...we complain because the game needs improvement and we want it to be great.

Post this in the review section of where you brought the game from. You won't get a reply from bungie here